3 days ago

The moral cowardice of the "left" being un able to face facts is beyond despicable.

However lets look at what Boris says. He gives some space to blaming the Serbs and indeed if it wasn't the Germans and Austrians they become prime suspect - and they are a damn site easier to kick about.
But then there are the remarks about modern Germans being flawless peace loving democrats. Which again casts the Serbs as villains in the recent wars there (& all the NATO powers noble).
But look at the facts. The Yugoslav wars took place entirely because the EU and NATO, driven by the Germans who used every political card they had, not only destroyed Yugoslavia but ensured that the division was not on ethnic lines, as the Serbs would have accepted, but reinstating the WW1 borders leaving millions of Serbs under foreign control. Worse than that - the foreign controllers Germany (and the EU) chose were not liberal minded flawless, peace loving democrats they were unreconstructed WW2 Nazis who had served Germany in the previous contretemps and who were openly and publicly committed to the genocide of those Serbs (& in Bosnia's case of Croats & Jews too).
That is what happens when you start by pretending wrong is right. You end up engaging in wrongs, like genocide & war crimes as our government did, because you have lost any moral compass and it is always easier to attack the weak than the strong.
 
stevejames8  
12 hours ago
 
What bollox. Yet again, the Slovenes, Croats and others seceded, and fought to defend it, of their own free will, the idea that they were just manipulated pawns of geriatric Nazis is the lamest excuse for the Serb leaders' tyrannical incompetence and insult to the people of those nations there is.
 
That there may be some sensible democratic border rectifications to be made over time is another matter, but it won't be achieved by the sort of talk that is being out over here.
 
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Neil Craig
 
 
The Croats, Albanians and Bosnian Moslems did not merely attempt to secede (which Yugoslavia would have allowed as they did with Slovenia), they attempted, with our military support, to take territories with Serb majorities as "lebensrum".
 
Izetbegovic (Moslem) & Tudjman (Croatia) were the "geriatric Nazis" publicly supportive of genocide in question and the leaders of their "countries".
 
Granted the BBC, for years, described Izetbegovic as a "moderate democrat" but they knew better and were merely demonstrating that there is nobody at the BBC with as much journalistic integrity a the late Joseph Goebbels.
 
The problem with your proposed "sensible democratic border rectifications" is demonstrated, in Croatia's case, by the fact that they have murdered or ethnically cleansed half a million people, including the Krajina region (cleansed in Operation Storm, where US & British officers controlled the Croatian Nazi forces). I would be interested in suggestions as how this is to rectified - at the same time you could suggest how the Jews killed in the Holocaust be returned.
 
Had democracy, sensible borders or indeed any slightest trace of human decency been a consideration of the obscene Nazi animals running the NATO countries (including our own subhuman LabConDem party leaders) they would never have gone to war to carry out genocide in the Nazi cause and the "rectifications" question would not arise.
 
 
 To some extent, Steve, I cannot blame you because, for 30 years, our broadcasters and press have deliberately lied and censored to promote what they know to be genocide carried out to promote Adolf Hitler's to placate current Germany and the censorship has been almost total.
 
I suggest you either check up the facts yourself or accept my word that Milosevic's only fault was that, as a peacemaker, he was to willing to trust obscene western leaders to whom racial genocide, child rape, war crimes and the dissection of thousands of living human beings was and is "an ethical foreign policy".
 
Dick100 neilcraig
a day ago
  
yes, this is what happened, we started pretending wrong is right under German influence.
Also this is true;-
"Worse than that - the foreign controllers Germany (and the EU) chose were not liberal minded flawless, peace loving democrats they were unreconstructed WW2 Nazis who had served Germany in the previous contretemps and who were openly and publicly committed to the genocide of those Serbs (& in Bosnia's case of Croats & Jews too).
That is what happens when you start by pretending wrong is right. You end up engaging in wrongs, like genocide & war crimes as our government did, because you have lost any moral compass and it is always easier to attack the weak than the strong".
 
 

    Compare this with a few years ago, when any suggestion that NATO/Bosnian Moslems/Croats/Kosovo Albanians were in any way at fault or that the Serbs were more sinned against than sinning could be relied on to provoke hysteria.

    Now I can accuse our own leaders of being genocidal war criminals, even in a thread where there is not likely to be particular expertise about these wars, and I get fulsome agreement and less disagreement:

   Thanks Dick100. The support is appreciated. the truth is, however belatedly, coming out.