A Place to Stand

    Some good news is that UKIP just scored 37% in an opinion poll.
                      
"Perhaps not to be taken too seriously, but today’s AOL poll (don’t ask how we found that one) shows UKIP storming ahead of Britain’s other political parties in a manner that would leave the party just 9 seats short of a parliamentary majority at the next general election.

Fantasy, sure. But with 15,000+ people voting online, it has got to give UKIP some hope of at least picking up a few seats in 2015.

The AOL user poll at the time of publication of this article shows UKIP on 37 percent, with the Conservatives on 27 percent, Labour on 23 percent, and the Liberal Democrats on just 3 percent."

   
     I commented:

"That the Tories are still shown doing, comparatively, well against Labour suggests AOL users are better off than average. So we should expect to be doing better too, but that much better is amazing.
Perhaps the computer literate are just smarter or more politically informed. Or perhaps, and this strikes me as likely, people getting their news online are less subject to the outrageous propagandising by the state owned BBC, whose "news" is as slanted towards big state parasitism as any in the world but North Korea. Thus better politically informed.
Or perhaps computer users are all early adopters ahead of the curve. That would be nice."

    OK a "poll of the day" isn't in any way a randomly selected statistical population. On the other hand it is just over 5,000 out of 15,000 real human beings. What it means is open to a lot of interpretation/guesswork but it isn't meaningless.

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   The news and videos from conference are on the UKIP site which is good because the only BBC coverage was 80 minutes last night on the parliament channel - bookended by 2 x 2 hour reprises of the LudDim conference - that's LudDim stuff from a conference past which was described by a beeboid as "like watching paint dry" first time. That is how the BBC's legal duty of "balance" is reinterpreted.

    It would be interesting to know what average viewing figures are for the various conferences but that will be another of those secrets necessary fir the BBC Fascists to maintain their journalistic
confidentiality.
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  A comment I put up on Delingpole's site - hopefully my readers will like the anecdote.

Farage is on the money in that quote - and I have an anecdote to prove it.


I was expelled from the LibDems on a charge of being an economic liberal. I also live a few hundred yards from where this year's LD conference was held in Glasgow.  I amused myself by handing out a flyer telling them how corrupt their party is. This is it  http://a-place-to-stand.blogsp...


Anyway, to the point - I was surprised to find the police generally shared my opinion of the conference they were guarding and in conversation with one of them I was told how the Rumanian mafia are already responsible for fast increasing credit card crime, even in Glasgow which is not heavy in such immigrants and his informed opinion is this industry will become truly massive as the immigration restrictions are lifted.


To be fair to the LD's his contempt extended to Labour, Tories & SNP, none of whom allegedly have any interest in the issues important to ordinary people.

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    And finally John Redwood takes a pop at those considering voting UKIP and thus depriving the Tories of their rightful victory. I put up a comment that has not appeared. I have now put up this new one which says much the same:

My previous post seems to have suffered from some glitch. This largely repeats - SINCE THEN BOTH POSTS HAVE APPEARED. THE LARGE MAJORITY OF COMMENTS THERE PREFERRED UKIP TO THE TORIES:

John you said "UKIP have said they are going to fight all the seats at the General Election. That means there is no deal to be done between the Conservatives and UKIP"

But if that were meaningful it would be the Tories, who have always said that, who are refusing to deal. In fact negotiations always take place after each side has said what their ideal is and politics is partly the art of negotiation. Remember that at the last election UKIP offered a deal if the Tories would guarantee a referendum and were rejected. No such easy deal would work now but don't pretend that UKIP are being intransigent.

In the council elections we got 22% putting all 3 main parties close. The Tories are clearly preparing for us to push them into 2nd place in  the EU elections. Everything is to play for.

I am not privy to our election tactics or I couldn't speak but I think, if no deal is on offer, we should simply fight for every vote and let the chips fall where they may. At 25% of the vote we would struggle to get more than a seat but at 35% we would have a majority.  This will increasingly show how corrupt our electoral system is.

I note that in your post you mention no actual policies on which you think the Tories right & we wrong.  I suggest that on all our main policies - the EU, immigration, ending fuel poverty & recession through giving up the catastrophic warming lie, popular referendums, PR, supporting technological progress, cutting government spending - we are right and largely more popular too (& I suspect you know it)

If the Tory tactic is to try to bully people with an openly corrupt FPTP electoral system you may find you are merely offending those who believe in democracy or the British sense of fair play. If the Tories do that, rather than try to fight on the issues, they are intellectually bankrupt and in the country's interests, do not deserve to win."

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   Hopefully that will appear this time. If it is I will post any reply John makes. I do think the underlinings are important. Everybody recognises PR is more democratic and while it might be possible for UKIP to be squeezed if our base vote is small and if we are within 10 points of the Tories (say us 20% & the LabCons 30% each) going into a campaign our support of PR and the LabCons opposition (& Pseudo-Liberal's increasing silence) might well incline a number of people to say that this is the only chance for democratic reform - if we make an issue of it.