Tuesday, August 27, 2013
Syrian "Nerve Gas Attack"
Once again we are being prepared to start bombing somebody. This time it is Syria. And this time, ignoring the undeniable atrocities carried out by our al Quaeda allies in Syria (not worst a rebel leader posting a video of him eating an opponent's body) we are preparing to attack on the basis of a claim the Syrian government used poison gas.
Jerry Pournelle described them as "utterly unconvincing" primarily because Assad would have no possible reason to do so.
Somewhat to my surprise BBC radio broadcast 1 person saying it was fake (don't worry they noticed and haven't broadcast anything similar since).
His position was (A) that nerve gas produces an unmistakable dilation of the eyes and that the films produced had avoided showing close ups of the eyes which would have proven, or disproven, their claims & (B) hoses had been used to wash the bodies clean and the cameramen able to walk through the water. That water would contain the dissolved nerve gas and be deadly - except that it wasn't. This does not exclude some other chemical poison - but that would be available to the rebels as much as the government and it would be perverse to blame the government who have, it is probably correctly assumed, something more effective.
However the clincher, as pointed out by the Russians and studiously avoided by our media is:
“We’re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature. In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.”
Linked here http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/
the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack – August 21 – being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube one the previous day, August 20.
Despite the 7-hour time difference between Syria and the US, where the YouTube server is located, the mismatch of the dates in the videos raised concerns among some experts about the exact time of the upload."
Indeed. If film of it was released before it officially happened either the al Quaeda have their own Tardis, which would be a worrying development to say the least, or they have faked it.
I don't see any 3rd possibility but am open to Mr Hague producing one.
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During the Bosnian war the Serbs were accused of using poison gas at Srebrenica but, despite the effective NATO occupation of the country no evidence was ever produced. There are also a number of videos and pictures of alleged Israeli actions which turned out to be faked.
We also have a long series of western politicians and the Doctors Without Frontiers western quango pretending to believe them.
No change there then.
Jerry Pournelle described them as "utterly unconvincing" primarily because Assad would have no possible reason to do so.
Somewhat to my surprise BBC radio broadcast 1 person saying it was fake (don't worry they noticed and haven't broadcast anything similar since).
His position was (A) that nerve gas produces an unmistakable dilation of the eyes and that the films produced had avoided showing close ups of the eyes which would have proven, or disproven, their claims & (B) hoses had been used to wash the bodies clean and the cameramen able to walk through the water. That water would contain the dissolved nerve gas and be deadly - except that it wasn't. This does not exclude some other chemical poison - but that would be available to the rebels as much as the government and it would be perverse to blame the government who have, it is probably correctly assumed, something more effective.
However the clincher, as pointed out by the Russians and studiously avoided by our media is:
“We’re getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature. In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action.”
Linked here http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-prepared-advance-901/
the three videos posted on Youtube said to be showing the child victims affected by chemical weapons near Damascus. Despite the date of the alleged attack – August 21 – being mentioned in their titles, they were posted on YouTube one the previous day, August 20.
Despite the 7-hour time difference between Syria and the US, where the YouTube server is located, the mismatch of the dates in the videos raised concerns among some experts about the exact time of the upload."
Indeed. If film of it was released before it officially happened either the al Quaeda have their own Tardis, which would be a worrying development to say the least, or they have faked it.
I don't see any 3rd possibility but am open to Mr Hague producing one.
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During the Bosnian war the Serbs were accused of using poison gas at Srebrenica but, despite the effective NATO occupation of the country no evidence was ever produced. There are also a number of videos and pictures of alleged Israeli actions which turned out to be faked.
We also have a long series of western politicians and the Doctors Without Frontiers western quango pretending to believe them.
No change there then.
Labels: International politics, Media, Yugoslavia
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I can't for the life of me see why any percipient person in the West would accept this stuff uncritically. But even if you accept it, how on earth does it justify our getting involved?
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: August 27, 2013
: August 27, 2013
From the terrorists perverted viewpoint the atrocities of what is now referred to as 9 / 11 in that they produced ongoing and expensive upheaval in the west for the sacrifice of a few "loyal" zealots. The huge number of collateral casualties which must have included quite a few people of islamic faith,
only served to increase the outrage they were counting on. It could be argued that the Iraq war might never have happened were it not for 9 /11 and strengthens the case that the western media's short term obsession with sensation over almost all other considerations makes them an ideal tool for the sinister to manipulate democratic governments. "News" programs no longer content themselves with just the know facts, but spend much time on opinion and theorising, and often with the ludicrous assumption that in each and every case there is some positive action our governments can embark on that will make things "better". Not acting is often the most responsible thing to do
only served to increase the outrage they were counting on. It could be argued that the Iraq war might never have happened were it not for 9 /11 and strengthens the case that the western media's short term obsession with sensation over almost all other considerations makes them an ideal tool for the sinister to manipulate democratic governments. "News" programs no longer content themselves with just the know facts, but spend much time on opinion and theorising, and often with the ludicrous assumption that in each and every case there is some positive action our governments can embark on that will make things "better". Not acting is often the most responsible thing to do
# posted by : August 29, 2013
: August 29, 2013
I can make a good case that the airline passenger restrictions alone have cost the US more than 9/11 at least in economic terms.
I do think a response was necessary and justified but within a few months the CIA & USAF had overthrown the Afghan government and no western occupation was necessary.
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I do think a response was necessary and justified but within a few months the CIA & USAF had overthrown the Afghan government and no western occupation was necessary.
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