Friday, April 06, 2012
Bosnia and Hercegovina - 20 Years on - The Media Celebrates
On the BBC this morning they were wittering on about the war in B&H which, if the BBC are to be trusted, was started by the Serbs refusing to accept a referendum for "independence".
This is not true. Though the Serbs had the law on their side over the referendum. Not only did the constitution require 2/;3rd of the population to support any change, but under that constitution, with its presidency rotating among all the community leaders, the lawful president if B&H was not the Moslem leader and former WW2 Nazi, Alia Izetbegovic, but the Serb leader Radovan Karadzic (now being "tried" by NATO for opposing secession). In fact the fighting started when the (ex-)Nazi Moslems deliberately shot up a wedding party.
The BBC then moved on to the "Srebrenica massacre". Moving even further from being a news organisation into an openly racist propaganda one they asserted as fact that the "official" massacre (A) happened, (B) was the only massacre worth mentioning and (C) was the worst atrocity in Europe since WW2. All these are total lies.
(A) There is no evidence whatsoever that the massacre of 7,000/;8,000/11,000/15,000 Moslem soldiers ever took place. The total number of bodies found is under 2,000 which matches the number of combat casualties the Moslem forces have claimed. When Izetbegovic first made the massacre claim it was accepted that the garrison of the town was 7,500 and he claimed they were all missing. It is now known that at least 7,000 of them reached Moslem lines and were transferred to the Tuzla front, without even being allowed to contact their families. The various "mass graves" that NATO claimed to have detected by satellite, during the war, turned out to be empty - but , as with the size of the garrison, the story was changed.
(B) While there is no evidence, beyond one dubious "eye witness" that the "official" massacre ever happened there was a genuine massacre and of civilians. NATO had reached a deal whereby the town would become a "safe area" with the Moslem militia disarmed. Having reached the deal they not only did not enforce it they did far worse. Moslem Nazis were given free reign to pass through the NATO "safe" lines to attack surrounding villages, inhabited mainly by women, children and old men. They murdered 3870 identified victims. This is not disputed - it was even acknowledged by General Morrilon, the NATO commander at the time, on oath during the Milosevic "trial" - it is simply censored on all occasions, by our "free" media.
Defining the killing of soldiers trying to kill you, as genocide is a new interpretation. No such doubt exists about the murder of thousands of unarmed civilians purely because of their race. Nasir Oric, the Moslem commander was so proud of this that he showed western journalist videos of him beheading civilians taken from his extensive home video collection. The Toronto Star and Washington Post reported this but the British media decided this was not newsworthy. Obviously the NATO funded "court" would only have prosecuted Oric for this genocide had it been interested in justice rather than promoting racist smears and thus they didn't.
(C) At almost the same time the Croatians, led by former Nazi Franjo Tudjman, broke through the UN ceasefire lines to invade the Serbian province of Krajina. This attack is widely known to have been organised by American and British staff officers and largely armed by Germany. It had NATO air support. Quarter of a million people were driven from their homes. About half of them are still "missing". Even the fact that the Croatians murdered the UN troops maning the dividing line did not stir any media interest, at least in the NATO countries.
By any objective standards the permanent "disappearance" of 125,000 people, mainly civilians, is far worse than the "official" Srebrenica massacre would be, had it ever happened.
Of course over the years our media have ratcheted up hatred against many countries, in preparation for bombing.
The "incubator babies" story about the Kuwait invasion is now acknowledged to be false. As were Iraq's WMDs. The claims that Gaddafi handed out viagra to his black troops to assist them in raping gas had no subsequent evidential basis. Far more people are being killed and tortured there now than beffore we "liberated" Libya. In Syria the claims that 18 babies died when Syrian troops cut off a hospital's electricity in one day, or that the numerous terrorist bombs set off in areas loyal to Assad were actually set off by his forces seems surprising.
Of course it is possible that the BBC and other British media are, in the latter cases, demonstrating infinitely more commitment to the truth in the various things they report today, than they did over Yugoslavia, but there is no particular reason to think so.
For example I have yet to see any mention of Al Quaeda's contribution to the "democracy" movement in both Libya and Syria. Our relations with these terrorists seems to have come full circle. They used to be our allies in fighting the occupation of Afghanistan (by the USSR) and provided most of the non-conscript troops on the "Bosnian people's war for independence" (Babar Ahmed whom we are now trying to extradite was one). Then, following 9/11 we engaged in a "war on terror" with them, which though it killed fewer than die on the roads on a busy weekend, significantly eroded our freedom. Now they are back to being our allies in attacking small countries again.
PS. This is going out as a letter. It will be interesting to see if any part of the British media feels able to, even in an edited version, allow the publication of anything honest on this subject.
UPDATE I should have confirmed that the Independent did not publish the shortened version of the letter they had promised to. I guess I was so unsurprised to find censorship in the Nazi cause being maintained. My thanks to the commentor who mentioned it and I agree with him that the ICTY decision not to bring Nasir Oric to trial for the undisputed genocide of at least 3,800 Serb civilians is incompatible with any claim that any member of the ICTY, or their paymasters, is not a wholly corrupt racist Nazi & the entire "trial" system a racist farce
This is not true. Though the Serbs had the law on their side over the referendum. Not only did the constitution require 2/;3rd of the population to support any change, but under that constitution, with its presidency rotating among all the community leaders, the lawful president if B&H was not the Moslem leader and former WW2 Nazi, Alia Izetbegovic, but the Serb leader Radovan Karadzic (now being "tried" by NATO for opposing secession). In fact the fighting started when the (ex-)Nazi Moslems deliberately shot up a wedding party.
Karadzic began his cross-examination by showing the witness minutes from a session of the Presidency of the Socialist Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina held on March 2, 1992.
The presidency was discussing the murder of the father of the bridegroom at a wedding party because he was carrying a Serb flag in the Sarajevo neighborhood of Bascarsija. Karadzic also showed the witness exhibit D385, which was a police report on the crime.
Mandic told the court about the incident saying, "We, from the Crime Prevention Service that I headed, knew who the perpetrator was, Delalic, Rasim, and that he was in a house at Bistrik. However, we were not in a position to arrest him or to take any measures because the Patriotic League and the reserve police force were guarding him. The reserve police from Stari Grad Police Station, headed by Dahic, Ismet, at that point they had between 600 and 1,000 men. Of course, all of them were ethnic Muslims, and that was a major problem."
Karadzic asked the witness, "Do you remember that the killer was treated as a hero and that he appeared very soon on television to explain why he had killed that member of the wedding party?" Mandic responded, "Yes, he was invited to a TV show."
As a result of the killing, and subsequent protection of the killer by the Muslim police, Serbs in Sarajevo erected barricades.Delalic, Rasim does not appear among the list of people brought to "trial" by the NATO funded "court" but then he isn't a Serb.
The BBC then moved on to the "Srebrenica massacre". Moving even further from being a news organisation into an openly racist propaganda one they asserted as fact that the "official" massacre (A) happened, (B) was the only massacre worth mentioning and (C) was the worst atrocity in Europe since WW2. All these are total lies.
(A) There is no evidence whatsoever that the massacre of 7,000/;8,000/11,000/15,000 Moslem soldiers ever took place. The total number of bodies found is under 2,000 which matches the number of combat casualties the Moslem forces have claimed. When Izetbegovic first made the massacre claim it was accepted that the garrison of the town was 7,500 and he claimed they were all missing. It is now known that at least 7,000 of them reached Moslem lines and were transferred to the Tuzla front, without even being allowed to contact their families. The various "mass graves" that NATO claimed to have detected by satellite, during the war, turned out to be empty - but , as with the size of the garrison, the story was changed.
(B) While there is no evidence, beyond one dubious "eye witness" that the "official" massacre ever happened there was a genuine massacre and of civilians. NATO had reached a deal whereby the town would become a "safe area" with the Moslem militia disarmed. Having reached the deal they not only did not enforce it they did far worse. Moslem Nazis were given free reign to pass through the NATO "safe" lines to attack surrounding villages, inhabited mainly by women, children and old men. They murdered 3870 identified victims. This is not disputed - it was even acknowledged by General Morrilon, the NATO commander at the time, on oath during the Milosevic "trial" - it is simply censored on all occasions, by our "free" media.
Defining the killing of soldiers trying to kill you, as genocide is a new interpretation. No such doubt exists about the murder of thousands of unarmed civilians purely because of their race. Nasir Oric, the Moslem commander was so proud of this that he showed western journalist videos of him beheading civilians taken from his extensive home video collection. The Toronto Star and Washington Post reported this but the British media decided this was not newsworthy. Obviously the NATO funded "court" would only have prosecuted Oric for this genocide had it been interested in justice rather than promoting racist smears and thus they didn't.
(C) At almost the same time the Croatians, led by former Nazi Franjo Tudjman, broke through the UN ceasefire lines to invade the Serbian province of Krajina. This attack is widely known to have been organised by American and British staff officers and largely armed by Germany. It had NATO air support. Quarter of a million people were driven from their homes. About half of them are still "missing". Even the fact that the Croatians murdered the UN troops maning the dividing line did not stir any media interest, at least in the NATO countries.
By any objective standards the permanent "disappearance" of 125,000 people, mainly civilians, is far worse than the "official" Srebrenica massacre would be, had it ever happened.
Of course over the years our media have ratcheted up hatred against many countries, in preparation for bombing.
The "incubator babies" story about the Kuwait invasion is now acknowledged to be false. As were Iraq's WMDs. The claims that Gaddafi handed out viagra to his black troops to assist them in raping gas had no subsequent evidential basis. Far more people are being killed and tortured there now than beffore we "liberated" Libya. In Syria the claims that 18 babies died when Syrian troops cut off a hospital's electricity in one day, or that the numerous terrorist bombs set off in areas loyal to Assad were actually set off by his forces seems surprising.
Of course it is possible that the BBC and other British media are, in the latter cases, demonstrating infinitely more commitment to the truth in the various things they report today, than they did over Yugoslavia, but there is no particular reason to think so.
For example I have yet to see any mention of Al Quaeda's contribution to the "democracy" movement in both Libya and Syria. Our relations with these terrorists seems to have come full circle. They used to be our allies in fighting the occupation of Afghanistan (by the USSR) and provided most of the non-conscript troops on the "Bosnian people's war for independence" (Babar Ahmed whom we are now trying to extradite was one). Then, following 9/11 we engaged in a "war on terror" with them, which though it killed fewer than die on the roads on a busy weekend, significantly eroded our freedom. Now they are back to being our allies in attacking small countries again.
PS. This is going out as a letter. It will be interesting to see if any part of the British media feels able to, even in an edited version, allow the publication of anything honest on this subject.
UPDATE I should have confirmed that the Independent did not publish the shortened version of the letter they had promised to. I guess I was so unsurprised to find censorship in the Nazi cause being maintained. My thanks to the commentor who mentioned it and I agree with him that the ICTY decision not to bring Nasir Oric to trial for the undisputed genocide of at least 3,800 Serb civilians is incompatible with any claim that any member of the ICTY, or their paymasters, is not a wholly corrupt racist Nazi & the entire "trial" system a racist farce
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The Independent have said they are willing to publish this if i cut it way down. I have done so & look forward to seeing it.
"The Independent have said they are willing to publish this if i cut it way down. I have done so & look forward to seeing it."
LOL Did you see any pigs fly past your shopfront window since April ,Neil? :)
One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty_four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.",
(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
LOL Did you see any pigs fly past your shopfront window since April ,Neil? :)
One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty_four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.",
(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
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: September 08, 2012
: September 08, 2012
Incidentally, it doesn't help matters that even supposedly "friendly" journalists such as Andy Wilcoxson mistakenly take Karadzic's and Milosevic's quotes out of context - totally misrepresenting what they actually said about Srebrenica in their political show trials - as an admission of guilt on the part of the Serbs that 8,000 muslim "men and boys" were supposedly executed ,despite the fact that not a single UNMO [UN Military Observer] witnessed a "massacre" or "mass execution" take place at any time after the fall of the enclave.
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg_rch_030110.htm
Milosevic was referring to a mercenary group under the command of French intelligence working hand in glove with the Izetbegovic regime and the Clinton administration in manipulating the staged "fall" of the enclave so that a phony massacre of 5,000 muslims would take place in order to act as a casus belli for US/NATO military intervention on the side of the Bosnian muslims.
Karadzic was referring to the assumed "thousands of victims" as alleged by the official ICTY/NATO narrative as "being executed" would have necessitated those alleged thousands of victims "having their hands tied". Ipso facto "...based on that [ICTY/NATO story] we can assume that those people were executed" Karadzic said in 2009.
Here's what Karadzic said as translated by the ICTY interpreter:
"Page 352
"This is the last ever opportunity for us to clarify what happened in Bosnia, and particularly in Srebrenica. I assure you that we are talking about the differences that can be numbered in the thousands of victims, thousands, not tens. Creating a myth on erroneous facts about Srebrenica can cost Europe as well, because this gives legitimacy to a number of erroneous facts that they can turn the anger of the general public against Europe, and this cannot be clarified if we believe that one expert was wrong about one case. We want to be absolutely sure who was victim there and how many there were. If we miss that opportunity now, Europe will also feel that as a major problem.
"Page 359
"Furthermore, I have an objection to the terms as used for boys and men. I believe that this has to be clarified in writing. We have to define what the term "boys" implies. We do not believe that a conclusion can be made on a number. I believe that in criminal matters a body has to be present. Here in several cases against the Albanians it was concluded that without a body murder charges cannot be proven.
Page 360
"We have to establish the truth. When somebody died, whether they died in 1992, 1993, or 1995; whether they were killed in combat or whether they were killed as a result of executions. I believe that for thousands of them we can assume that people's hands were tied, and based on that we can assume that those people were executed, but this is a generalisation which cannot be used to establish the guilt of an entire people, not only one person."
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg_rch_030110.htm
Milosevic was referring to a mercenary group under the command of French intelligence working hand in glove with the Izetbegovic regime and the Clinton administration in manipulating the staged "fall" of the enclave so that a phony massacre of 5,000 muslims would take place in order to act as a casus belli for US/NATO military intervention on the side of the Bosnian muslims.
Karadzic was referring to the assumed "thousands of victims" as alleged by the official ICTY/NATO narrative as "being executed" would have necessitated those alleged thousands of victims "having their hands tied". Ipso facto "...based on that [ICTY/NATO story] we can assume that those people were executed" Karadzic said in 2009.
Here's what Karadzic said as translated by the ICTY interpreter:
"Page 352
"This is the last ever opportunity for us to clarify what happened in Bosnia, and particularly in Srebrenica. I assure you that we are talking about the differences that can be numbered in the thousands of victims, thousands, not tens. Creating a myth on erroneous facts about Srebrenica can cost Europe as well, because this gives legitimacy to a number of erroneous facts that they can turn the anger of the general public against Europe, and this cannot be clarified if we believe that one expert was wrong about one case. We want to be absolutely sure who was victim there and how many there were. If we miss that opportunity now, Europe will also feel that as a major problem.
"Page 359
"Furthermore, I have an objection to the terms as used for boys and men. I believe that this has to be clarified in writing. We have to define what the term "boys" implies. We do not believe that a conclusion can be made on a number. I believe that in criminal matters a body has to be present. Here in several cases against the Albanians it was concluded that without a body murder charges cannot be proven.
Page 360
"We have to establish the truth. When somebody died, whether they died in 1992, 1993, or 1995; whether they were killed in combat or whether they were killed as a result of executions. I believe that for thousands of them we can assume that people's hands were tied, and based on that we can assume that those people were executed, but this is a generalisation which cannot be used to establish the guilt of an entire people, not only one person."
# posted by : September 08, 2012
: September 08, 2012
http://www.icty.org/x/cases/slobodan_milosevic/trans/en/020927ED.htm
"I want the truth to be revealed with regard to this insane crime, in the interest of justice. It has to be explained before the world public. The information that I have compiled so far, and
Page 10310
"there will be more to come, speaks of how Izetbegovic used Srebrenica for all kinds of manipulations and held it in -- in his own reserve for various political bargains. And you saw from the statement made by a member of his delegation in the report that was accepted by the UN with regard to the takeover of Srebrenica, the handover of Srebrenica. You saw all of this.
"Time will show that on the 1st of July, 1995, in the house of a
Muslim, the former president of the municipality in Zvornik, where two members of the Muslim government from Sarajevo were present, the representatives of a mercenary military formation within the army of Republika Srpska but not under the command of the army of Republika Srpska
but within the French intelligence service, they agreed to have this crime committed, that is to say, to abandon Srebrenica and to carry out this slaughter.
"All information shows that General Mladic knew nothing about this, nor General Krstic, who was sentenced here. I am personally convinced that the military honour of Mladic or Krstic would not allow them to execute civilians, let alone Mladic, Krstic, generals who throughout the war made a maximum effort to protect prisoners of war and civilians at all times.
"This mercenary unit was commanded by the same people who sent those same persons only one year later to Zaire so that they would protect Mobutu and crush a rebellion. This same organisation organised the purchase of arms a year later. And since I asked you to adopt a writ of disclosure, please do that. Those people who have a salary for that
Page 10311
"and have hundreds of associates, make them as Jacques Chirac and the
French intelligence service and the American intelligence service and all other intelligence services, let them disclose all the facts they have on Srebrenica.
The information I have available shows that the point of the agreement reached was the following: The underlying French idea was that the war in Bosnia should be ended through effective actions taken by NATO and through military engagement.
"As a pretext for military engagement, genocide that will be carried out by the Serbs will be made up, and the Serb negotiating side will have to deal with that.
"The presence of Ratko Mladic in Srebrenica will be used as a confirmation of the responsibility
of the military leadership and of Mladic himself for having an indictment issued against him in The Hague by making it appear that a genocide was carried out and anathema will be placed on the leadership of the Bosnian Serbs and then the international community will take measures. The protagonists will not be prosecuted.
"One insignificant one, a member of the Croat detachments of death
who happened to be there was accused, and then for the crimes in
Srebrenica, Ratko Mladic should be accused and also the leadership of
Republika Srpska headed by Radovan Karadzic. And this agreement was
attended by two representatives of the Muslim government, that out of the French, General Janvier was there for sure, and this other person was said to be Morillon but this was not confirmed. There is no reliable information saying that it was Morillon.
"I want the truth to be revealed with regard to this insane crime, in the interest of justice. It has to be explained before the world public. The information that I have compiled so far, and
Page 10310
"there will be more to come, speaks of how Izetbegovic used Srebrenica for all kinds of manipulations and held it in -- in his own reserve for various political bargains. And you saw from the statement made by a member of his delegation in the report that was accepted by the UN with regard to the takeover of Srebrenica, the handover of Srebrenica. You saw all of this.
"Time will show that on the 1st of July, 1995, in the house of a
Muslim, the former president of the municipality in Zvornik, where two members of the Muslim government from Sarajevo were present, the representatives of a mercenary military formation within the army of Republika Srpska but not under the command of the army of Republika Srpska
but within the French intelligence service, they agreed to have this crime committed, that is to say, to abandon Srebrenica and to carry out this slaughter.
"All information shows that General Mladic knew nothing about this, nor General Krstic, who was sentenced here. I am personally convinced that the military honour of Mladic or Krstic would not allow them to execute civilians, let alone Mladic, Krstic, generals who throughout the war made a maximum effort to protect prisoners of war and civilians at all times.
"This mercenary unit was commanded by the same people who sent those same persons only one year later to Zaire so that they would protect Mobutu and crush a rebellion. This same organisation organised the purchase of arms a year later. And since I asked you to adopt a writ of disclosure, please do that. Those people who have a salary for that
Page 10311
"and have hundreds of associates, make them as Jacques Chirac and the
French intelligence service and the American intelligence service and all other intelligence services, let them disclose all the facts they have on Srebrenica.
The information I have available shows that the point of the agreement reached was the following: The underlying French idea was that the war in Bosnia should be ended through effective actions taken by NATO and through military engagement.
"As a pretext for military engagement, genocide that will be carried out by the Serbs will be made up, and the Serb negotiating side will have to deal with that.
"The presence of Ratko Mladic in Srebrenica will be used as a confirmation of the responsibility
of the military leadership and of Mladic himself for having an indictment issued against him in The Hague by making it appear that a genocide was carried out and anathema will be placed on the leadership of the Bosnian Serbs and then the international community will take measures. The protagonists will not be prosecuted.
"One insignificant one, a member of the Croat detachments of death
who happened to be there was accused, and then for the crimes in
Srebrenica, Ratko Mladic should be accused and also the leadership of
Republika Srpska headed by Radovan Karadzic. And this agreement was
attended by two representatives of the Muslim government, that out of the French, General Janvier was there for sure, and this other person was said to be Morillon but this was not confirmed. There is no reliable information saying that it was Morillon.
# posted by : September 08, 2012
: September 08, 2012
"The agreement was that Srebrenica should be surrendered to the Serbs practically without any fighting, as forthwith withdraw and in that
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"way make it possible for them to purportedly take over Srebrenica. Naser Oric is going to withdraw and award for the action will be 2 million Deutschmark.
"Mladic was not at that meeting. He was having lunch with those
generals later on at the Likovac locality, but according to intelligence data, he did not know what the subject agreed upon was, and he didn't know that he was commanding all the units that took part in that, especially the one that was sent to Zaire later on by the same people that ordered the job to be done. Oric lives in Lukavac near Tuzla today. He has a
restaurant on the lake and he destroyed more than 70 villages around Srebrenica and that he is one of the greatest criminals in the war."
Page 10312
"way make it possible for them to purportedly take over Srebrenica. Naser Oric is going to withdraw and award for the action will be 2 million Deutschmark.
"Mladic was not at that meeting. He was having lunch with those
generals later on at the Likovac locality, but according to intelligence data, he did not know what the subject agreed upon was, and he didn't know that he was commanding all the units that took part in that, especially the one that was sent to Zaire later on by the same people that ordered the job to be done. Oric lives in Lukavac near Tuzla today. He has a
restaurant on the lake and he destroyed more than 70 villages around Srebrenica and that he is one of the greatest criminals in the war."
# posted by : September 08, 2012
: September 08, 2012
Thanks - I ahve added an update to the article confirming the "Independent" did not publish as they promised.
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