Thursday, October 25, 2012
Obama - Given Time the Benghazi Bodies Float To The surface
From Delingpole:
Here's one thing we can be sure of about the Benghazi affair: almost everything we've been told since by the mainstream media is a lie, invariably one designed to shore up the creaky and desperate Obama administration.
Consider how quickly the story was spun by Obama's amen corner in the liberal MSM. It should, according to any objective news sense, have been a shocking tale of how a woefully unprotected ambassador was murdered in cold blood by Al Qaeda affiliates
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My comment:
Jerry Pournelle uses his military experience to show how, with the attack on the "consulate" taking 7 hours, it would have been easily possible to fly in a marines detachment had "the One" had the gumption to make a decision on the matter.
Another point totally unmentioned by our media is the reports that Ambassador Stevens was raped by the gunmen before being killed - this seems similar to the treatment of Gadaffi by our democracy loving allies. The official government line is that he died of smoke inhalation & the picture showing him conscious and in the hands of his captors are to be ignored.
The truth could easily be told by the autopsy but, more than a month after the event, it is unaccountably undisclosed.
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This is the Pournelle statement today that inspired me
Last night Greta van Sustern of Fox News showed a printed copy of an eMail from the State department delegation in Libya that apparently went to the situation rooms in both the White House and the State Department in Foggy Bottom. It stated quite clearly that the consulate in Benghazi was under attack by armed terrorists with AK-47 rifles and RPG’s. This was about two hours into the attack. There was no mention of any protests against any video.
The existence of the eMail is now confirmed by the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/email-state-department-told-white-house-militants-claimed-responsibility-for-libya-attack/2012/10/24/b4cd09b0-1def-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html. There was no mention of this in today’s Wall Street Journal or the Los Angeles Times although Ms. Van Sustern was displaying the memo at 7PM Pacific Time last night. I saw it.
We do not usually do breaking news here, and we certainly do not have all the data; but it does seem to me that the President certainly knew by Wednesday morning 12 September that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was an organized attack by a terrorist organization – or at least that such an organization was claiming it.
We also have reason to believe that the White House was aware of the attack within two hours of its beginning. The attack continued for some seven hours, and at least two of those killed were killed in the last hours.
The United States maintains forces that could have reached Benghazi by helicopter within two hours from Italy. I do not have a list of other assets in the Mediterranean, but it does appear that we had some resources in the area. They were not sent.
From the first debate:
"ROMNEY: And there was no demonstration involved. It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people. Whether there was some misleading, or instead whether we just didn’t know what happened, you have to ask yourself why didn’t we know five days later when the ambassador to the United Nations went on TV to say that this was a demonstration. How could we have not known?
But I find more troubling than this, that on — on the day following the assassination of the United States ambassador, the first time that’s happened since 1979, when — when we have four Americans killed there, when apparently we didn’t know what happened, that the president, the day after that happened, flies to Las Vegas for a political fund-raiser, then the next day to Colorado for another event, other political event.
At that time the official US position was that the attack on our consulate was a demonstration against a U-Tube video defaming the Prophet Mohammed PBUH that got out of hand. That was still the official position of the United States Department of State – and one presumes the White House – as late as Sunday September 16 when the US Ambassador to the UN declared it on several Sunday news shows."
As of now there has been no statement from the White House in explanation.
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The reference to ambassador Steven being raped before he was murdered comes from a Lebanese source. Snopes describes it as Undetermined but the photo of him in terrorist hands when the government story is that he was dead of smoke inhalation is given.
I think undetermined is a reasonable conclusion, as many stories are, including the large majority of what is said about Savile, but that does not mean it is, or should be, unreported.
I stand by the point that the autopsy would show the truth. Or perhaps, like "bin Laden's body" it was instantly buried at sea?
When those in power are hiding things the default assumption must be that there is something to hide - even if, in this case, it is only Obama's incompetence. Undrelinings my own.
Here's one thing we can be sure of about the Benghazi affair: almost everything we've been told since by the mainstream media is a lie, invariably one designed to shore up the creaky and desperate Obama administration.
Consider how quickly the story was spun by Obama's amen corner in the liberal MSM. It should, according to any objective news sense, have been a shocking tale of how a woefully unprotected ambassador was murdered in cold blood by Al Qaeda affiliates
-----------------------------
My comment:
Jerry Pournelle uses his military experience to show how, with the attack on the "consulate" taking 7 hours, it would have been easily possible to fly in a marines detachment had "the One" had the gumption to make a decision on the matter.
Another point totally unmentioned by our media is the reports that Ambassador Stevens was raped by the gunmen before being killed - this seems similar to the treatment of Gadaffi by our democracy loving allies. The official government line is that he died of smoke inhalation & the picture showing him conscious and in the hands of his captors are to be ignored.
The truth could easily be told by the autopsy but, more than a month after the event, it is unaccountably undisclosed.
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This is the Pournelle statement today that inspired me
Last night Greta van Sustern of Fox News showed a printed copy of an eMail from the State department delegation in Libya that apparently went to the situation rooms in both the White House and the State Department in Foggy Bottom. It stated quite clearly that the consulate in Benghazi was under attack by armed terrorists with AK-47 rifles and RPG’s. This was about two hours into the attack. There was no mention of any protests against any video.
The existence of the eMail is now confirmed by the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/email-state-department-told-white-house-militants-claimed-responsibility-for-libya-attack/2012/10/24/b4cd09b0-1def-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html. There was no mention of this in today’s Wall Street Journal or the Los Angeles Times although Ms. Van Sustern was displaying the memo at 7PM Pacific Time last night. I saw it.
We do not usually do breaking news here, and we certainly do not have all the data; but it does seem to me that the President certainly knew by Wednesday morning 12 September that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was an organized attack by a terrorist organization – or at least that such an organization was claiming it.
We also have reason to believe that the White House was aware of the attack within two hours of its beginning. The attack continued for some seven hours, and at least two of those killed were killed in the last hours.
The United States maintains forces that could have reached Benghazi by helicopter within two hours from Italy. I do not have a list of other assets in the Mediterranean, but it does appear that we had some resources in the area. They were not sent.
From the first debate:
"ROMNEY: And there was no demonstration involved. It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people. Whether there was some misleading, or instead whether we just didn’t know what happened, you have to ask yourself why didn’t we know five days later when the ambassador to the United Nations went on TV to say that this was a demonstration. How could we have not known?
But I find more troubling than this, that on — on the day following the assassination of the United States ambassador, the first time that’s happened since 1979, when — when we have four Americans killed there, when apparently we didn’t know what happened, that the president, the day after that happened, flies to Las Vegas for a political fund-raiser, then the next day to Colorado for another event, other political event.
At that time the official US position was that the attack on our consulate was a demonstration against a U-Tube video defaming the Prophet Mohammed PBUH that got out of hand. That was still the official position of the United States Department of State – and one presumes the White House – as late as Sunday September 16 when the US Ambassador to the UN declared it on several Sunday news shows."
As of now there has been no statement from the White House in explanation.
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The reference to ambassador Steven being raped before he was murdered comes from a Lebanese source. Snopes describes it as Undetermined but the photo of him in terrorist hands when the government story is that he was dead of smoke inhalation is given.
I think undetermined is a reasonable conclusion, as many stories are, including the large majority of what is said about Savile, but that does not mean it is, or should be, unreported.
I stand by the point that the autopsy would show the truth. Or perhaps, like "bin Laden's body" it was instantly buried at sea?
When those in power are hiding things the default assumption must be that there is something to hide - even if, in this case, it is only Obama's incompetence. Undrelinings my own.
Labels: conspiracies, election, International politics
