Tuesday, January 06, 2009
I was very sorry to see the disgraceful letter from former Labour Councillor Bashir Maan on Friday. His letter is an explicit attack not merely on Israel but on Jews & a failure to denounce such words would indeed "bode ill for Jews all over the world" or at least in countries where such people have influence. May I ask where, over the last 8 years, were his call for attacks on Moslems for Hamas' unprovoked campaign of rocket attacks aimed purely at Israeli civilians? Had a prominent former member of the BNP been published by a newspaper calling for the "reviving" of attacks on citizens of Pakistani origin because of the Mumbai atrocity I think the authorities would, rightly, have been concerned about a breach of the law, but the parallel is precise.Adding a personal note "I very much hope in light of "a failure to denounce such words would indeed "bode ill for Jews all over the world"" the Herald will, having allowed this attack on Jews as a race, also permit the publication of this defence. Not to do so would be clearly dishonourable".
The fact is that Israel is defending itself from people who, for 8 years have been launching attacks on their civilians & that it is Hamas, not Israel, which refuses to cease fire. Nonetheless Israel is making prodigious efforts to minimise civilian casualties, even though Hamas is using its own people as human shields. Compare & contrast this with the behaviour of NATO supported by the Labour party of which Mr Maan was a member & also the Liberal Democrats & Conservatives who participated in the genocide & ethnic cleansing of half a million Serbs from Croatia, a million from western Bosnia & 350,000 from Kosovo. Note their bombing was done to support unrepentant (ex-)Nazis publicly committed to genocide (many of them former members of the less attractive units of Hitler's SS). Under our authority they engaged not only in genocide but also child sex slavery & the dissection of living Serbian teenagers to provide organs for our hospitals. Note also that markedly unlike in Gaza, 80% of the people murdered in our government's criminal bombing were civilians. Such actions by our leaders obviously attract far less media attention than Israel's but the facts are indisputable.
Whatever the rights & wrongs of Israel's actions there are absolutely no circumstances in which any British politician who supported such actions is fit to cast the first stone against Israel. Mr Maan should, instead of threatening Jews; acknowledge the Israelis have shown so much more respect for human rights than our leaders..
They didn't. I did not expect it to go in uncensored since it has been obvious that our entire media are censoring any mention of our government's role in the massacres & dissecting of living people in Kosovo, but they could have edited it - they could have edited it extensively had they wished. They could even have published a letter from somebody else disagreeing with Maan. They didn't. It is clearly dishonourable.
On the same subject I have commented on Neil Clark's site. Neil is one of the good ones & has an honourable record of opposing the Nazis over Yugoslavia. I very much regret he seems to have fallen for exactly the same sort of propaganda which was used to sell our support of the Bosnian Moslem (ex-)Nazis. Our media is, of course, publishing every atrocity story & every picture of children with exactly the same enthusiasm they used to pump up hatred for Serbs.
More disconcerting is the behaviour of commenters on his site who state as fact that"
"The Israelis, on the other hand, certainly want to kill as many people in Gaza as they possibly can - just simply because they are Palestinians."
This is simply the exact opposite of the truth & yet another race libel.
Israel is quite clearly going to considerable lengths, using smart bombs, to focus on genuine military targets whereas it is their enemies who are deliberately placing themselves among civilians, as Hezbollah also did.
Compare & contrast the casualty ratio here with NATO's where 80% of the Yugoslavs they killed in their war were civilians.
If Israel were not thousands of times more civilised than the pro-Nazis running America, Britain & other NATO states she would have ethnically cleansed Gaza & the west bank years ago as we did Krajina, half of Bosnia & Kosovo to help our openly genocidal (ex-)Nazi friends.
I have no doubt that the same media that so heavily reported the faked marketplace attacks in Sarajevo & the equally faked Srebrenica massacre (while ignoring the genuine massacre of Serbs there & the 8 years of rocket attacks on Israeli civilians & censored any mention that the Americans had put them up to it) will also regale us with new Nazi-serving propaganda stories.
The basic starting point in any discussion of this war is to acknowledge that Israel is, under intense provocation, behaving with thousands of times more respect for civilisation than any member of our major parties. They are at least complicit in Nazi genocide & worse.
Anyone not acknowledging this is clearly failing to maintain a balanced position between Jews & Nazis. I can well understand why Anon wishes not to identify himself.
Though the debate has descended from that point nobody has sought to dispute this factually & indeed the claim that what Israel is doing, right or wrong, is in any way comparable to what NATO did or assisted in in Krajina, the Yugoslav cities & Kosovo is clearly untrue.
That Livingston, Short, Maan, the BBC, ITN, Herald & the overwhelming majority of our politicians & media supported deliberate bombing of civilians in the cause of racial genocide & now criticise Israel for some accidental killings (while not criticising Hamas who are using the people as their human body armour) in a war of self defence does not alter the fact that it is not possible to do so without being a wholly corrupt Nazi. There are decent people opposing Osrael who did act honourably during the KLA war - Tony Benn, George Galloway & Neil Clark spring to mind - & they are entitled to criticise Israel but they must be careful to dissociate themselves from those who are simply repeating the acts of the Nazis. Nothing less is honourable.
The good news via Neil Clark's blog is that, whatever the Great & Genocidal may say, ordinary people have more understanding as shown not merely by the vast number of emails sent to Melanie Phillips, for being an "uber Zionist" (not a phrase I would have chosen) but also her blog has suddenly rocketed into the lead in the voting for Britain's best. Neil suggests you place your vote here to stop her (& points out you can vote daily). I would also urge you to vote here.
While I do not automatically subscribe to the Idea that Serbs & Jews are on the side of the angels merely because they share enemies this may be of interest:
Chaim Ben Pesach, the chairman of the Jewish Task Force in the United States, wrote recently about my very first video on YouTube:
"Our great member 4International has produced a very powerful video exposing the truth about the Albanian and Bosnian Muslim Nazis.
"This is professional, persuasive and compelling."
I hate to seem dense, but do you mean that we had Hamas rain rockets down on Israel, or do you mean that we sponsored the massacres of Serbs?
John Derbyshire wrote a good article showing why Israel should expel the Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. I agree with Derbyshire, but then I could be biased because I believe that the Jews have a right to all of the land.
I strongly disagree with your 2nd paragraph & have said on other sites that the fact that Israel, though occupying the West Bank & Gaza for 41 years have NOT ethnicly cleansed them in the way that NATO cleansed Kosovo & helped cleanse Croatia shows their higher moral standardss. It is a najor reason why NATO politicians who supported that war cannot escape the criticim that they are corrupt racist Nazi war criminals.
Does it seem that as Europe gets more atheistic the established churches of Europre seem to get closer to the Vatican.
I think you are right about the Christian churches huddling together & there is a particular case with the Church of England whose original sole difference with Rome was on Henty VIII's marriage & whose existence is difficult to justify in spiritual terms.
I agree that the CoE no longer has any spiritual justification for its' existence, but really none of Europe established churches do. They are just another failed state monopoly that should be abolished. As for the RCC, I consider it my personal enemy since it is working to insert as many of its' Mexicans into the US as possible. I live about 150-200 miles north of the Mexican border and I have to see these people everywhere. Even failed cities like Detroit that have mostly been burned to the ground by the Black inhabitants now have Hispanic Catholic bishops in order to help import as many into the region as possible.
Because of this if the churches of Europe are huddling around Rome then they are looking to the wrong moral leader. These state churches should all be abolished, and the citizens of each country allowed to form their own churches financed with voluntary donations.