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Saturday, March 10, 2007

SOME MORE COMMENTS

In the Scotsman & Iain Dale links my comments ure under the name Neil, in the Guardian I am 9percentgrowth

Forth bridge http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=244512007

SNH V Hedgehogs - SNH lose by £750,000 http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=245812007

Kosovo - once again the Guardian's commenters are strongly NATO/Nazi http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2013344,00.html

What does a judge know about nuclear engineering http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/john_vidal/2007/02/well_was_the_governments_decis.html

Water on Mars http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=251972007

Bosnia http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=251482007

Unipolar world needs 3 extra poles to hold it up http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2014505,00.html

Genocide denial http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2014446,00.html

Paying off councillors http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/letters.cfm?id=258512007

Lib Dems & road pricing http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=263072007

Sea level scare story http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=262582007

Homeschooling http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=262692007

Nazi Ashdown http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2015747,00.html

Wave power http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=271042007

Maoism in China & here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2017029,00.html

Culling hedgehogs & bureaucrats http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/letters.cfm?id=271212007

Tidal power http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/letters.cfm?id=277562007

Peak oil put off yet again http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=271032007

Radovan Karadzic http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=276522007
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=282382007

Russia http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2017816,00.html

Canadian blogger deported & jailed by Germanyhttp://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_tate/2007/02/free_kareem.html
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/02/egyptian-blogger-jailed-for-insulting.html http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=288092007

Bosnia at the Hague http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=294042007

Michael Buerk & the BBC http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=300922007

Housing http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=307262007

Milk http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=308512007

Bosnia trial http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=307672007
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/claire_fox/2007/02/the_international_court_of_jus.html
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/antonio_cassese/2007/02/the_judicial_massacre_of_srebr.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2023025,00.html
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ian_williams/2007/03/squaring_a_circle_of_hell.html

Vesuvius http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=313462007

Immigration http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2023075,00.html

PR http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/02/sir-ming-makes-his-first-big-mistake.html

Paxman V Attenboriugh on warming http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=327282007

Oil transfer fees http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=349002007

Windmillery http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=350572007

Comments:
Neil, re Valon (the Albanian pro-KLA Nazi supporter): you really seem to be getting on that guy's goat! :-)

Especially when you brought up the Albanian SS Skanderbeg/Balli Kombetar KLA Nazi antecedents/forebears history!

A simple formula is at play here: the amount of times an Albanian,Croatian or Bosnian Muslim Nazi calls you a "Serb Chetnik" online in a comments section of a newspaper's website is directly proportional to the SQUARE of the amount of times you have gotten on their goat!


That DavidT of "Harry's Place" sure has a nerve: implying that you are an "extremist Serb Chetnik" and even denying that Izetbegovic was an auxiliary to the SS Handzar division via his founding and membership of the "Young Muslims" Islamist organization which was founded on the principles of the infamous WW2 Egyptian based "Muslim Brotherhood" organization (forbears of today's al Qeada & Wahhabi Nazi Islamists) led by notorious Hitler collaborator, Hajj amin Al-Husseini.(type in Banna Nazi into Google for more info)


By the way, Izetbegovic NEVER denied he acted as a recruiter for the 13th Waffen SS Handzar division during 1943 via the Islamist "Young Muslims" organization he helped to found 3 years earlier.

Izetbegovic merely excused himself on the grounds that he was "young" (i.e.naive) at the time.



"Izetbegovic did not deny the charges of having worked for Husseini and the Hanjar Division, but merely excused his actions on the basis of having been very young at the time. He was sentenced to three years in prison."

Go to For The Record: Renowned anti-Fascist researcher, Dave Emory, exposes Alija Izetbegovic and the SS

The fact that Izetbegovic named his personal elite praetorian bodyguards composed of 6,000 Islamist fundamentalist Nazi killers "the Handzar" in honor of this WW2 Nazi SS division, speaks volumes.

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Here is what David Binder of the New York Times - hardly a "pro-Serb" newspaper - wrote as an obituary of Izetbegovic upon hearing of his death:

"Alija Izetbegovic was born on Aug. 8, 1925, in Bosanski Samac, a town in northern Bosnia now under the control of Bosnian Serbs. His father was a bookkeeper. The family moved to Sarajevo in the 1930's. He grew up among the Slavic Muslims who already in the last decades of the 19th century had developed a strong sense of identity, even of nationhood.
During World War II, when Bosnia became part of the puppet-Nazi state of the Croatian Ustashe, Mr. Izetbegovic joined the Young Muslims, a group torn between siding with the German-sponsored Handzar divisions organized by the German SS or with the Yugoslav Communist partisans led by Josip Broz Tito. Mr. Izetbegovic supported the Handzars."


http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2006/09/ftr-568-life-and-times-of-hasan-cengic.html

The actual radio broadcast can be found here (you will need the "RealPlayer" program to listen to the broadcast):

Broadcast of The Life and Times of Hasan Cengic(Izetbegovic's WW2 Nazi SS Handzar auxiliary recruiting background via the Islamist "Young Muslims" pro-Nazi organization in Bosnia from early 1943 onwards...)



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The following was posted in slightly revised form by a writer on Israpundit:

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There is no question that Izetbegovic was a prime recruiter for Heinrich Himmler's and Hajj Amin al Husseini's 13th Waffen SS "Handzar" division via Izetbegovic's membership of the Bosnian "Young Muslims" Islamist organization modelled after the notorious Egyptian "Muslim Brotherhood", forebears of todays al Qaeda and Wahabbi type Islamist extremists.


It is also irrefutable that Izetbegovic revived the very same "SS Handzar" Islamofascist division in 1992 and early 1993.

This documentation on Izetbegovic and the Handzar Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia was all in the public domain in the UK British press as early as December 1993!! DavidT lives in the UK. Where has DavidT,Oliver Kamm and the rest of the pro-Nazi Izetbegovic admiring gang of pro-Islamofascists and pro-Nazis at "Harry's Place" been since this report was published well over 13 years ago in the British press? In a cave in Afghanistan or in a coma perhaps?

The report outlining Izetbegovic's revival of the infamous murderous WW2 Nazi 13th Waffen SS "Gebirgs division Handschar Kroatische" notorious for its massacres of Jews,Serbs and Gypsies in 1943, was published in the UK Daily Telegraph newspaper, under the headline: "Albanians and Afghans fight for the heirs to Bosnia's SS past"


Here is an excerpt:

"Last summer Muslim and Croat leaders in Fojnica asked the WN to declare it a "zone of peace". Since then war has ravaged the town, bringing murder, mayhem and exile to at least half its original population of 12,000. Different, and alien, forces are now in charge -- some of the toughest in the Bosnian Muslim army.

These are the men of the Handzar division. We do everything with the knife, and we always fight on the frontline," a Handzar told one UN officer.

Up to 6000-strong, the Handzar division glories in a fascist culture. They see themselves as the heirs of the SS Handzar division, formed by Bosnian Muslims in 1943 to fight for the Nazis. Their spiritual model was Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who sided with Hitler.

According to UN officers, surprisingly few of those in charge of the Handzars in Fojnica seem to speak good Serbo-Croatian. "Many of them are [Muslim] Albanian, whether from Kosovo (the Serb province where Albanians are the majority) or from Albania itself."

They are trained and led by veterans from Afghanistan and Pakistan, say UN sources.
The strong presence of native Albanians is an ominous sign. It could mean the seeds of war are spreading south via Kosovo and into Albania, thence to the Albanians of Macedonia.

Pakistani fundamentalists are known to have had a strong hand in providing arms and a small weapons industry for the Bosnian Muslims.

Hardline elements of the Bosnian army, like the Handzar, appear to have the backing of an increasingly extreme leadership in Sarajevo, represented by Mr Ejup Ganic, Foreign Minister, Mr Haris Silajdzic, Prime Minister, and Mr Enver Hadjihasanovic, the new army chief."
 
Neil, re Valon (the Albanian pro-KLA Nazi supporter): you really seem to be getting on that guy's goat! :-)

Especially when you brought up the Albanian SS Skanderbeg/Balli Kombetar KLA Nazi antecedents/forebears history!

A simple formula is at play here: the amount of times an Albanian,Croatian or Bosnian Muslim Nazi calls you a "Serb Chetnik" online in a comments section of a newspaper's website is directly proportional to the SQUARE of the amount of times you have gotten on their goat!


That DavidT of "Harry's Place" sure has a nerve: implying that you are an "extremist Serb Chetnik" and even denying that Izetbegovic was an auxiliary to the SS Handzar division via his founding and membership of the "Young Muslims" Islamist organization which was founded on the principles of the infamous WW2 Egyptian based "Muslim Brotherhood" organization (forbears of today's al Qeada & Wahhabi Nazi Islamists) led by notorious Hitler collaborator, Hajj amin Al-Husseini.(type in Banna Nazi into Google for more info)


By the way, Izetbegovic NEVER denied he acted as a recruiter for the 13th Waffen SS Handzar division during 1943 via the Islamist "Young Muslims" organization he helped to found 3 years earlier.

Izetbegovic merely excused himself on the grounds that he was "young" (i.e.naive) at the time.



"Izetbegovic did not deny the charges of having worked for Husseini and the Hanjar Division, but merely excused his actions on the basis of having been very young at the time. He was sentenced to three years in prison."

Go to For The Record: Renowned anti-Fascist researcher, Dave Emory, exposes Alija Izetbegovic and the SS

The fact that Izetbegovic named his personal elite praetorian bodyguards composed of 6,000 Islamist fundamentalist Nazi killers "the Handzar" in honor of this WW2 Nazi SS division, speaks volumes.

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Here is what David Binder of the New York Times - hardly a "pro-Serb" newspaper - wrote as an obituary of Izetbegovic upon hearing of his death:

"Alija Izetbegovic was born on Aug. 8, 1925, in Bosanski Samac, a town in northern Bosnia now under the control of Bosnian Serbs. His father was a bookkeeper. The family moved to Sarajevo in the 1930's. He grew up among the Slavic Muslims who already in the last decades of the 19th century had developed a strong sense of identity, even of nationhood.
During World War II, when Bosnia became part of the puppet-Nazi state of the Croatian Ustashe, Mr. Izetbegovic joined the Young Muslims, a group torn between siding with the German-sponsored Handzar divisions organized by the German SS or with the Yugoslav Communist partisans led by Josip Broz Tito. Mr. Izetbegovic supported the Handzars."


http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2006/09/ftr-568-life-and-times-of-hasan-cengic.html

The actual radio broadcast can be found here (you will need the "RealPlayer" program to listen to the broadcast):

Broadcast of The Life and Times of Hasan Cengic(Izetbegovic's WW2 Nazi SS Handzar auxiliary recruiting background via the Islamist "Young Muslims" pro-Nazi organization in Bosnia from early 1943 onwards...)



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The following was posted in slightly revised form by a writer on Israpundit:

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Thanks Peter. Confirmation of Izetbegovic's SS past is valuable. Had this or anything like thie applied to an Serbs we would have been informed of it long ago. Indeed one of those I crossed swords with in the Guardian used the opinions of the WW2 German governor of occu[pied Serbia as evidence of Serb opinions.
 
Neil, some in-depth documentation on Izetbegovic's "Young Muslims" Islamist Fascist organization modelled on the infamous Egyptian Ikhwan al Muslimeen "Muslim Brotherhood": forebears of today's al Qaeda and Wahhabi Islamist Nazi terrorists .

Next time you cross swords with that ignoramus "DavidT" from "Harry's Place" or any other ignoramus/liar/pro-Nazi clown on the Guardian or Scotsman who calls you a "Serb Chetnik extremist", you can cite all of the following documented evidence below. Enjoy!

****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** "Our goal: the Islamization of Muslims. Our methods: to believe and to struggle."—Alija Izetbegovic, "Islamic Declaration," 1970

"O' Alija, O' honored! You drive America crazy!" –Line from Arabic poetry sung by foreign mujahideen during Bosnian war


"Do we want the Muslim people to leave their going-around-in-circles, their dependence, backwardness, and poverty?" Izetbegovic once wrote, "Then we show clearly which path will take us to that goal: establishing Islam in every field in the personal life of the individual, in family and society…and the establishment of a unique Islamic community from Morocco to Indonesia."

For Izetbegovic, these were not just words; they were a plan of action that he acted upon his entire life.

In 1940, at the age of 16 he co-founded the Young Muslims, a religious and political group modeled on Egypt's Ikhwan al-Muslimeen. Six years later he and his friend Nedzib Sacirbey were jailed by the communist government of Yugoslavia for helping publish the journal "Mujahid." After their release, the Communists again cracked down on the young Muslims and in 1949 sentenced four members to death and jailed many more for their Islamic activism. In 1983 Izetbegovic was arrested again for disseminating "Islamic propaganda" and sentenced to 14 years in prison and was released in 1988.
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Note: 'Mujahid' - the journal Izetbegovic published - means 'Holy Warrior' or 'Jihadist'
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Who wrote the above hagiography of Izetbegovic?

a)A "pro-Serb Chetnik extremist website"?


b)The official website of the "Young Muslims" Islamist-Fascist organization in Canada (modelled on the infamous Egyptian Islamist Fascist Ikhwan al-Muslimeen founded in Ismailiah, Egypt, in 1928).


The answer of course is (b)

But you would not have read that in the Guardian,Independent,or seen it on CNN, BBC or ITN.

Have any doubts? Go to to the "Young Muslims" website in Canada: Alija Izetbegovic

The "Young Muslims" is a global organization of Islamist Fascists -modelled on the Egyptian "Muslim Brotherhood" aka Ikhwan al-Muslimeen: forebears of today's al Qaeda and Wahhabi (Saudi Arabian) type Islamist fundamentalist extremists.

Type in Ikhwan al-Muslimeen or Banna Nazi into Google

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'Mujahid' means 'Holy Warrior', and Egypt's Ikhwan al-Muslimeen is the ‘Muslim Brotherhood.’

The Muslim Brotherhood was a fascist and Islamist organization that cooperated with the German Nazis, that still exists today, and that continues to be extremely powerful.[15]

Now,

1) if Izetbegovic, at the time of WWII, co-founded the ‘Young Muslims’ in imitation of the ‘Muslim Brotherhood,’ which organization enthusiastically worked with the Nazis;

2) if Hajj Amin al Husseini was the go-between for the Nazis and the Muslim Brotherhood[17];

3) if Izetbegovic reveres Hajj Amin for having created the original SS Handzar Division;

4) and if Izetbegovic recently recreated the Nazi SS Handzar Division;

then one hardly needs to imagine what Izetbegovic was up to during World War II.

So what do we have?

That the Bosnian Muslim faction led by the man who earlier had been a leader of fascist and Islamist movements from the tender age of 16, who wrote and re-issued a book which positively foams at the mouth with fundamentalist fanaticism, who re-released that book as his political platform in the Bosnian elections of 1990, and who recently recreated the SS Handzar Division in fond remembrance of his WWII participation in Nazi crimes in occupied Yugoslavia ... the government created by this man is what Bernard-Henri Lévy described as an example of "modern, secular Islam."

The mind reels. Lévy is not merely a famous philosopher -- he is supposedly Jewish. But...but...Izetbegovic's past was not a secret!

Let me make myself clear, however. Lévy didn’t just misportray Izetbegovic’s regime in a casual way. He fought to clean Izetbegovic’s image with all his energies.


Did the US and NATO sponsor Islamist terrorism in Bosnia?

Historical & Investigative Research

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"From the 1930s, Hassan el-Banna and many of the first members of the Brotherhood offered their services to the Abwehr. Apart from the resistance to the British presence in Egypt, Hassan el-Banna's commitment was a result of a real admiration for Hitler and the Nazi regime. In 1942, at the side of Haj Amin el-Husseini, grand Mufti of Jerusalem and long-standing Brother, he encouraged Bosnian, Albanian and North African Muslims to join the SS Handschar, Kama and Skanderbeg divisions created specially for them.

In its history, strategy and tactics, the Brotherhood is related to the worst fascist movements: the same appetite for power and profit, the same petty bourgeois recruitment, the same ideological basis founded on identity myths excluding all those who do not share them, the same pragmatic duplicity, the same terrorist violence magnified to galvanize militants and shock opponents, the same political assassinations, the same hatred for democracy –even though it can be used to arrive in power only to destroy it afterwards, the same hijacking of democratic procedures, the same historic evolution studded with failed coups, successful terrorism, paid service to the powerful, exploitation of the misery and the fears of the most disadvantaged and disdainful sacrifice of the rank-and-file militant."


Anti-Terrorism Resources: Who is the Muslim Brotherhood? (Ikhwan al Muslimeen)


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Overlooked in the history books is the fact that about 100,000 European Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II. They included two Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Divisions, an Albanian Waffen SS Division in Kosovo and Western Macedonia, the Waffengruppe der-SS Krim, formations consisting of Chechen Muslims from Chechnya, and other Muslim formations in Bosnia-Hercegovina. Bosnian Muslims who were in the Croatian pro-Nazi Ustasha were especially brutal toward the Christian Serbs. In 1943, a report on Ustasha activities stated:

"The Ustasha terror began in Mostar. The Ustashi, the majority of them local Mohammedans, are arresting, looking, and shipping off Serbs or killing them and throwing the bodies in the Neretva River. They are throwing Serbs alive into chasms and are burning whole families in their homes. Outside of Zagreb the strongest Ustasha hotbed is Sarajevo. The Muslims committed unbelievable barbarities for they murdered women and children even with scissors."
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The Muslim Waffen SS Divisions were known for their atrocities against civilians and for their bestial acts against anti-Nazi guerillas. Himmler's liaison officer at Hitler's headquarters, SS Brigadefuehrer Hermann Fegelein, who had commanded the 8th SS Kavallerie Division "Florian Geyer" in Russia and Hungary, described to Hitler the fanaticism and bestiality of the Bosnian Muslim troops, which even appalled the SS leaders, as follows:

"The enemy takes off with all its things when they [the Bosnian Muslims] move in.
They kill them only with their knives. There was one man who was wounded. He allowed his arm to be bandaged and then went on to finish off 17 more of the enemy with his left hand. Cases also occur where they [the Bosnian Muslims] cut the heart out of their enemy."



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So much for the Noel Malcolm, Marko Attilo Hoare and Oliver Kamm rose colored glasses view of the Izetbegovic SDA and Albanian KLA Islamist Nazi factions and their ridiculous Holocaust denial style position implying that the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims supposedly did not participate in any significant way to the WW2 Holocaust against Serbs, Jews and Romanies perpetrated by the Croatian Ustasha Nazis of Ante Pavelic and Alojzije Stepinac in the so-called "Independent State of Croatia" from 1941 to 1945 (and in Kosovo via the Albanian 21st Waffen SS Skanderbeg division and the Albanian Nazi Balli Kombetar troops.

For historical photographs and further documentation from WW2-era German Nazi sources, see also:

Bosnia’s Nazi Past: The Kama Division

Kosovo’s Nazi Past: The Untold Story

Kosovo and the Holocaust: Falsifying History


Bosnia and the Kama Division Part 2

The Black Legion: A History of the 1st Ustasha Regiment
 
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Overlooked in the history books is the fact that about 100,000 European Muslims fought on the Nazi side in World War II. They included two Bosnian Muslim Waffen SS Divisions, an Albanian Waffen SS Division in Kosovo and Western Macedonia, the Waffengruppe der-SS Krim, formations consisting of Chechen Muslims from Chechnya, and other Muslim formations in Bosnia-Hercegovina. Bosnian Muslims who were in the Croatian pro-Nazi Ustasha were especially brutal toward the Christian Serbs. In 1943, a report on Ustasha activities stated:

"The Ustasha terror began in Mostar. The Ustashi, the majority of them local Mohammedans, are arresting, looking, and shipping off Serbs or killing them and throwing the bodies in the Neretva River. They are throwing Serbs alive into chasms and are burning whole families in their homes. Outside of Zagreb the strongest Ustasha hotbed is Sarajevo. The Muslims committed unbelievable barbarities for they murdered women and children even with scissors."
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The Muslim Waffen SS Divisions were known for their atrocities against civilians and for their bestial acts against anti-Nazi guerillas. Himmler's liaison officer at Hitler's headquarters, SS Brigadefuehrer Hermann Fegelein, who had commanded the 8th SS Kavallerie Division "Florian Geyer" in Russia and Hungary, described to Hitler the fanaticism and bestiality of the Bosnian Muslim troops, which even appalled the SS leaders, as follows:

"The enemy takes off with all its things when they [the Bosnian Muslims] move in.
They kill them only with their knives. There was one man who was wounded. He allowed his arm to be bandaged and then went on to finish off 17 more of the enemy with his left hand. Cases also occur where they [the Bosnian Muslims] cut the heart out of their enemy."



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So much for the Noel Malcolm, Marko Attilo Hoare and Oliver Kamm rose colored glasses view of the Izetbegovic SDA and Albanian KLA Islamist Nazi factions and their ridiculous Holocaust denial style position implying that the Bosnian and Albanian Muslims supposedly did not participate in any significant way to the WW2 Holocaust against Serbs, Jews and Romanies perpetrated by the Croatian Ustasha Nazis of Ante Pavelic and Alojzije Stepinac in the so-called "Independent State of Croatia" from 1941 to 1945 (and in Kosovo via the Albanian 21st Waffen SS Skanderbeg division and the Albanian Nazi Balli Kombetar troops.)

For historical photographs and further documentation from WW2-era German Nazi sources, see also:

Bosnia’s Nazi Past: The Kama Division

Kosovo’s Nazi Past: The Untold Story

Kosovo and the Holocaust: Falsifying History


Bosnia and the Kam
 
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