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my contribution to Iain Dale's blog concerning the journalistic crimes of ITN, the Guardian and the BBC on behalf of genocidal Nazis in ex-Yugoslavia:



The late Alija Izetbegovic, former illegtimate "president" of Bosnia Herzegovina,illegal ursuper of power in 1990 from the duly elected Bosnian muslim leader, Mr.Fikret Abdic ,is the one behind the death camp fraud (he admitted it on his death bed) along with a multi-million dollar funded American "public relations" & lobbying firm (i.e. Ruder Finn - who also worked as a lobbying group in Washington on behalf of the Islamist Nazi terrorist KLA and Tudjman's HDZ Fascist neo-Ustasha racist government).

Izetbegovic, the man described by ITN,BBC,CNN,the Guardian et al, as a:

"secular muslim and moderate democrat committed to a multi-ethnic Western style liberal democracy" was in fact committed to genocide of all non-muslims.

Well before the outbreak of war in 1992, Izetbegovic PUBLICLY announced his commitment to genocide by having his version of Hitler's Mein Kampf (his 1970 manifesto, "The Islamic Declaration": a call for Jihad and the extermination of non-Muslims, re-published in 1990 as part of his election campaign).

"Izetbegovic appointed the Muslim National Council (MNC) of Bosnia to achieve long-term aspirations, to create a Muslim state in the Balkans. This state would defend the Muslim interests throughout Yugoslavia, i.e. Sandzak, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia, Serbia). “Rise brother Muslims, there are enough of us to accomplish our goals, whom the Muslim and those of Muslim blood will not betray. This time will never come again. Now is the opportunity to realize the dream of every Muslim” [qouted in Doc Center, 2002 from the Bosnian Muslim magazine VOX]. Among other objectives the MNC was working for were the creation of a Muslim state within the borders of present day B&H and formation of the Muslim Armed Forces.

"In October 1991, the MNC defined its political platform:

“The day is nearing when the announced Islamic Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina will be proclaimed. The date, which every Muslim in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Sandzak [Raška] is ardently waiting for has been known for a long time to be the 31st December. There are some indications that the Serbs might oppose this historic event...Every individual Serb must be aware of the responsibility of the entire nation, the penalty for crimes will be collective-for one dead Muslim one hundred Sebs will be liquidated-for one wounded Muslim (depending on the wound severity) 10-50 Serbs will be executed[ibid].

The document further elaborates how the Serbs would be treated in the Islamic Republic.

“All Serbs will have a 12-hour working day. The wages will be proportionate to the loyalty of all employees and as a rule they will be paid 30 percent less than the wages of Muslims whom occupy the same post ... Serbs will receive rations for food, which they will obtain in special shops. Serbs do not have national parties and if the do not abide by the rules of political life, they will not be entitled to political organization or to vote..Serbs are equal to Muslims if, of their own will, they are received into the Islamic faith of their forefathers...A good Serb is a living and obedient Serb or a dead, disobedient Serb [ibid].

The presidency of the Association of the Islamic Clergy (Ilmia) for B&H offered in 1992 in huge print, run in annual Takvim, the following instruction for jihad:

“Jihad in Islam is not only a war in the name of Allah. In reality, Islam is a revolutionary ideology and program that aims at changing the social system of the whole world and order it in harmony with its regulations and ideals. Islam wants to destroy all the states and governments anywhere on earth which stand opposed to the ideology and program of Islam, regardless of the state or the nation that is in power. The purpose of Islam is to establish the state based on its ideology and program, no matter which nation becomes the bearer of Islam or which nation is undermined in the process of establishing the ideological Islamic state” [ibid].

See: Who was Alija Izetbegovic: Moderate democrat or radical Islamist?

Alija Izetbegovic: A Retrospective Look at His Impact on Balkan Stability

For photographs of Izetbegovic's massacres (perpetrated by his Islamist Nazi "tough guy", Naser Oric: given a "harsh" 2 year sentence by NATO's Hague ICTY and RELEASED!) in the towns and villages of Srebrenica, Bratunac,Skelani,Milici, Kravica, Gorazde et al, see: The Real Srebrenica Genocide

Of course, the Gaurdian and BBC knew that Izetbegovic was a Nazi as early as 1983 when he was jailed for his Islamist attempted terrorist activities, but deliberately censored the truth about his WW2 Nazi background and genocidal Nazi beliefs which he reiterated publicly in a shuttle tour of fundamentalist Islamist terrorist states in the Middle East during 1991 (especially his visit to Tehran where he agreed with the Ayatollah Khomeini that Salman Rushdie deserved the death sentence for writing "the Satanic Verses").
ITN reporters went to Bosnia in 1992 in search of "concentration camps held by the Serbs" after American reporter, Roy Gutman, of New York's "Newsday" paper made a sensational claim - with no independent proof whatsoever - (other than Izetbegvic SDA government press releases)that the Bosnian Serbs were running "death camps".

Pity ITN didn't do so in 1991 when there were already real death camps set up at the Borovo footware factory and the "Rowing Club" in Vukovar, Croatia: at least 1,000 Serbian civilians -including women,children & the elderly - were beheaded and dismembered in a two month period in late 1991 by Tudjman's neo-Ustasha Nazi "Black Legion" troops (Croat version of the SS) with many more thousands of Serbs being murdered and half a million expelled from late 1991 to late 1995. See Hiding Genocide:Croatia has resumed its "liquidation" of Serbs, while arguing that "ethnic cleansing" is a Serbian creation...

As far as the Guardian is concerned they were an integral part of the ITN "accidental" deception and fakery regarding the refugee collection centre known as Trnopolje.

That is to say, their practice of "accidentally" placing their reporters INSIDE an enclosed agricultural compound surrounded by a 5 foot tall broken down chicken wirefence - with two rusted out old strands of barbed wire on top - and then proceeding to "accidentally" film from within this enclosed area - surrounded by this chicken wire fence - a single very thin looking Bosnian muslim, known as Fikret Alic whom instead of being sullen as one would normally expect from someone who was starving, was smiling and laughing. Mr. Alic was surrounded by men also doing the same - smiling and joking - the only difference being that these men were all normal looking and some even had pot bellies.

Even the judge in the LM vs ITN case had to admit that the ITN/Guardian people were "mistaken" in their belief (a nice way of saying that they were lying) that they were not filming from within an enclosed area (pretty hard to "believe" any such thing, since Penny Marshall & her team of ITN cameramen & the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy had to crawl through a broken down part of the chicken wire fence in order to gain entry!)

Thus, ITN lied as did the Guardian not for what they explicitly said and wrote, but what they implied when they failed to tell the world that Trnopolje was NOT a WW2 style Nazi "concentration camp" with all that such a camp implies: 30 foot high guard towers in each corner containing machine gun nests and surrounded by 10 foot high electrified fences and/or razor sharp barbed wire. They also failed to broadcast the uncensored video footage showing the Bosnian muslim refugees ridiculing the notion put forth by Penny Marshall, that they were in a prison or that they were not being fed.

See the photo fakery the Guardian perpetrated again 12 years later in September 2004, where they tried to pass off a photograph of Fikret Alic at Trnopolje refugee camp as "inmates of the Serbian concentration camp of Omarska".

The description of the photo stayed up as "concentration camp of Omarska" on their website for nearly 2 years until it was exposed as a fraud.

See Lies the London Guardian told me... or, The Return of Villainy

The Guardian is clearly guilty of crimes against peace by suppressing the truth of the genocide of thousands of civilians and the ethnic cleansing of over a million and a half more, perpetrated against the Serbs by the racist Tudjman HDZ neo-Fascist Ustasha Croats, KLA Ceku/HAradinaj/Thaci Islamist Nazi terrorists and Izetbegovic SDA Islamist Nazis from 1990 to 1999 - inciting a racist war against the Serbs for an entire decade - by incessantly screaming out for the Serbs to be bombed out of their ancestral homes by NATO on behalf of NATO's proxies: the real genocidal Nazis of Tudjman, Izetbegovic & Ceku/Thaci/Haradinaj of the KLA - on the basis of photographic fakery and egregious outright lies.

They - along with the BBC & ITN - should have been tried and punsihed for these journalistic crimes of racist incitement to war - crimes against peace in support of self-confessed genocidal Nazis and Islamist Fascist terrorists - in their publicly announced commitment to ethnic cleansing campaigns of mass murder PRIOR to the outbreak of war - massive crimes of genocide which they knowingly covered up and suppressed, whitewashed, distorted and skewed the truth of, for the last 17 years.

GaffaUK replies to your comment on Iain Dale's blog concerning the BBC, Guardian/ITN support of genocidal Nazis in ex-Yugoslavia.

It is quite clear from his comments below, that GaffaUK specializes in twisting of the facts, obfuscation, specious arguments, and of course ,what we have come to expect from the pro-Guardian/ITN crowd, the "are you still beating your wife?", "when did you stop beating your wife" type of "pretzel logic" otherwise known as "circular easoning" (i.e.,a logical fallacy)

Care to reply to GaffaUK on Iain's blog, Neil? I most certainly will.


GaffaUK said...

Neil - you still seem very confused.

Putting aside whether Izetbegovic is a bad man or not. This is irrelevant as the Guardian source you link to does not even mention him. To prove whether this guy is bad or not doesn't mean that the Guardian believes that anyone who doesn't support Izetbegovic is anti-Semitic.

1. First point you miss.
This is a REPORTER's comments. And not the Guardian's. A newspaper often has contradictory views because they often like to express different views. If it was in the commentary from the Guardian or if the reporter was not named then you could argue that this was the Guardian's view. In this case it is clearly the reporter's view and the reader cannot assume it is the same as the Guardian.

2. You use the very vague term 'SUPPORT'. Yes if there are other people who also believe that the concentration camps set up by the Serbs are fake - then it is a reasonable ASSUMPTION that this particular reporter might also believe those people has a 'mutated strand of anti-Semitism'. However again it is not absolute. Those who believe the camp was fake might have evidence which may convince the reporter whereas currently the reporter is not convinced by those who supported Living Marxism's claim.

3) It is a amazing DISTORTION created by yourself to say that because some people believe these camps were fake then the Guardian believes that all those who don't support Izetbegovic are anti-semitic.

For example:
'Imagine' if I believe those camps are real BUT I believe that Izetbegovic is a war-criminal. And that I believe both sides in the war committed war crimes.

Because I believe those camps are real that doesn't mean I suddenly support Izetbegovic. That is clearly illogical. Again - an example - if I thought dropping a bomb on Japan was wrong - that doesn't mean I support Japan's warmongering and it doesn't mean I support Hitler's aims.

At the end of the day, your link, only shows that a particular reporter believes that those who supported Living Marxism claim that the concentration camps allegedly set up by the Serbs are anti-semitic. Nowhere in that article do I see conclusive evidence that the Guardian believes that ANYONE who doesn't support Izetbegovic is anti-semitic.

As for the BBC - you didn't post any links and if your distortion with the BBC is as bad as the one you have done with the Guardian above - then it's probably not worth looking at.

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Also, notice how GaffaUK did not reply at all to even ONE of the issues raised in my detailed comment on Iain Dale's blog EXPOSING THE GUARDIAN/ITN CONCENTRATION CAMP STORY AS A FRAUD nor has GaffUK responded specifically to any of the irrefutable evidence of Izetbegovic being a blatant Islamist Nazi publicly calling for genocide of all non-Muslims as early as 1970 and reiterating his genocidal Nazi stand in 1990 and 1991 just prior to the outbreak of war in Bosnia.

Why am I NOT surprised?? GaffaUK needs to be held to account on this silence and obfuscation of the facts.

GaffaUK has replied again on Iain Dale's blog with the comment below, so I have replied to him in turn. Enjoy!

GaffaUK said...
Peter - it would not surprise me if a media outlet like the Guardian, ITN or any other paper/broadcaster 'exaggerated' it. I do not know the full story of the camp, nor do I claim to - so I am not in a position clearly to say yes or no based on your subjective view. Guess what - newspapers exaggerate their stories all the time.

However looking at the Living Marxism case - it seems that the camp was not fake - insomuch that the camp did exist. The debate seems to hinge on whether it was a concentration or detention camp.

Have a look at the wikipedia entry...

"According to subsequent testimony from witnesses, compared to other detention camps in the region, Trnopolje was a relatively minimal-security staging area for the forcible deportation of non-Serbs from the Prijedor area, and detainees were fed only sporadically, but were allowed to forage for food outside the detention area's perimeter [1], which explains the widely varying nourishment condition of the inmates. There were about 300 reported killings in the camp, and far more reported incidents of systematic rape of female detainees."

So it is hotly disputed. IF the above is true - it certainly doesn't sound like a holiday camp. Besides I'm not taking issue whether the camp existed on not.

Whether the camps was faked, exaggerated or existed as ITN portrayed - does does this show the Guardian has accused those who do not support Izetbegovic of being anti-semitic?

Or as you would put it:

A simple YES or NO answer will suffice.

You write:

Whether the camps was faked, exaggerated or existed as ITN portrayed - does does this show the Guardian has accused those who do not support Izetbegovic of being anti-semitic?

Or as you would put it:

A simple YES or NO answer will suffice.

Sir, I was not the individual whom wrote to you above regarding the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy implying that anyone whom disagreed with the Guardian's allegations concerning the refugee collection center Trnopolje being a "concentration camp", was somehow guilty of being "anti-Semitic".

Sir, that individual whom wrote those comments to you was Mr. Neil Craig, of the 9% Growth Party.

However, since you asked me the question which should have been directed to Mr. Neil Craig, I will out of courtesy and respect to you, reply to your question.

By the deliberate choice of those two words: "concentration camp", the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy is clearly implying that Trnopolje was not merely a POW detention facility but was instead a WW2 Nazi style concentration/death camp.

And it is quite clear that the implication of Ed Vulliamy and friends at the Guardian is that anyone whom disagrees with them - regardless of the exculpatory evidence available - is somehow guilty of the equivalent of "Holocaust denial" which is obviously what Ed Vulliamy is implying with his deliberate choice of the phrase, "anti-Semitic".

Since you chose not to give me a "yes" or "no" answer to my question on whether or not you believed the Guardian/ITN lie that Trnopolje was a WW2 Nazi style "concentration camp" it is clear that you felt the need to defend and justify your answer, implying that you are not entirely 100% sure that it was indeed a "concentration camp".

That is quite obvious also from your other comments which clearly show you don't entirely agree with the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy that it was indeed a "concentration camp".

Does that now give the right to Mr. Vulliamy of the Guardian to publish an article implying that because you disagree with his claims, you are now guilty of being "anti-Semitic" (in other words a thinly veiled implication that you are guilty of the equivalent of "Holocaust denial"?)

NO, of course it does not give him the right to imply such a thing. If he did, and the article was published in the Guardian naming you as having said so on Iain Dale's blog, I am sure that you would want to sue him for libel and defamation of character.

I take your answer as being a qualified "yes" that you doin fact believe that it most certainly was a nasty prison but that it was not a WW2 Nazi style "concentration camp" as the Guardian/ITN claims that it was with the deliberate choice of those words.

First of all you state that I have a "subjective view" of the Guardian/ITN claims. I have nothing of the sort. Strictly speaking, in terms of logical reasoning,one can only prove a positive - it is logically impossible to prove a negative.

In other words, the onus - or burden of proof - is on the person (or group) making the positive claim that Trnopolje was a "concentration camp" or "detention camp".

In criminal law, the need to prove a positive concerning someone's guilt is commonly referred to as"innocent until proven guilty"(rather than "guilty until proven innocent") or in other words in order to prove a prima facie case one must adhere to habeus corpus (Latin for "you must have the body").

It is not up to me or anybody else in the world to logically prove the negative (since that is logically impossible) that Trnopolje was NOT a "concentration camp"/"death camp". It is up to the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy & ITN to prove the positive that indeed it was a "concentration camp" since those are the two words Mr. Vulliamy deliberately chose to use in his numerous articles over a 15 year period.

The Guardian's Ed Vulliamy implying that somebody is "anti-Semitic" (in other words implying that they are guilty of the equivalent of "Holocaust denial")if they demand positive evidence that Trnopolje was a "concentration camp" is an ad hominem character assassination labelling attack and nothing more - it is just not good enough and does NOT constitute positive PROOF of Guardian/ITN claims.

So logically, it is the Guardian/ITN people who are guilty of being "subjective" (which also explains why they, as a multi billlion pound corporation, felt the need to threaten LM, a tiny iconoclastic magazine, with being sued into bankruptcy if they did not immediately pulp all their magazines and issue a retraction and apology that there was no evidence that Trnopolje was a "concentration camp".)

Izetbegovic's fundamentalist Islamist SDA ruling party in Bosnia is where the "concentration camp" lie originated - Izetbegovic admitted as much on his death bed in 2003 that he lied about Trnopolje and Omarska being "death camps" in the hope of provoking NATO bombing against the Bosnian Serbs.

The article you quoted from Wikipedia contains some obvious absurdities and self-contradictory claims. It states that Trnopolje was a "detention camp" - in other words, a prison complex which implies that the "inmates" are imprisoned behind tall and strong wire fences and NOT free to come and go as they please. Then in the very same sentence, it states that: "Trnopolje was a relatively minimal-security staging area..." thus certainly implying that it was most definitely NOT a "prison".

In other words by using the phrase "relatively minimal-security staging area",the author is clearly implying that people could very easily escape at any time; thus according to this statement, Trnopolje was absolutely NOTHING like a WW2 Nazi style "concentration camp" as the Guardian's Ed Vulliamy claims (perhaps Mr. Vulliamy has never seen what a real "concentration camp" looks like: 30 foot high guard towers in each corner containing machine gun nests and surrounded by 10 foot high electrified fences and/or razor sharp barbed wire).

The implication that people could not only escape with relative ease but that in fact that they could come and go as they pleased is confirmed again in the very same sentence! It states that "detainees...were allowed to forage for food outside the detention area's perimeter"!.

First its a "concentration camp", then its a "detention camp", then its a "minimal-security staging area" where "detainees" are even allowed to go outside in search of food!

And this sentence is somehow supposed to explain away how everyone except Fikret Alic was emaciated looking (whilst smiling and laughing)whilst many of the other so-called "detainees" had pot bellies: "...detainees were fed only sporadically,but were allowed to forage for food outside the detention area's perimeter".

Clearly implying that Fikret Alic must have been fed so "sporadically" that he ended up so thin, that whilst being allowed to leave the "minimal-security staging area" of Trnopolje where he was "allowed to forage for food outside the detention area's perimeter", Mr. Alic was somehow so incompetent (or unlucky)that he was incapable of finding food and feeding himself, whilst all the other "detainees" were clearly able to do so, since, we are told: "this explains the widely varying nourishment condition of the inmates."

SO we have a "concentration camp" which isn't, but rather a "detention camp" which really isn't, but rather a "minimal-security staging area" which is so minimally secure that "detainees" are even allowed to go outside the "perimeter" - since it did not have the luxury of "concentration camp" style security benefits like 10 foot high electrified and/or razor wire fences - in order to "forage for food".

Incidentally, if we want to know why Wikipedia can engage in such preposterous absurdities as above, one only need look at its track record on the subject of the Balkans conflict in ex-Yugoslavia.

Wikipedia is now a totally discredited source of information on the Balkans conflicts specifically as it has been exposed on numerous occasions as having deliberately censored exculpatory evidence in support of Croatian Ustasha Nazis' and Bosnian Islamist Fascists' war crimes along with the suppression of their pro-Nazi, pro-genocidal views expressed prior to the outbreak of war (as well as during the war).

One notorious example is the almost WORD for WORD copying of the Croatian HDZ ruling party's propaganda information ministry hagiography of the late Croatian pro-Ustasha Nazi Hitler loving president, Franjo Tudjman - whom wrote in his 1989 Croatian version of Mein Kampf: "Wastelands of Historical Truth" the following:

"The establishment of Hitler's New Order could be justified by the need to be rid of the Jews, as well as to correct the French-British sin of the (post WW1) Versailles setup and "Genocidal violence is a natural phenomenon in harmony with the societal and mythologically Divine nature. Genocide is not only permitted it is also recommended ,whenever it is useful for the survival or the restoration of the earthly kingdom of the chosen nation, or for the preservation and spreading of its one and only correct faith".

The Guardian's censorship and numerous egregious lies over a 17 year period in taking sides with self-confessed genocidal balkan Nazis like Franjo Tudjman and Alija Izetbegovic suggest that it is an unreliable source for factual, truthful information.

Sir, if you had taken the time to read the articles Lies the London Guardian told me... or, The Return of Villainy and JUDGMENT DAY FOR THE WESTERN MEDIA: KOSOVO AND THE BIG LIE you would have been given sufficient proof that the Guardian has lied repeatedly and covered up the truth of Tudjman's and Izetbegovic's genocidal crimes and Nazi beliefs/writings over almost a 17 year period.

In kindergarten, we all learn a very basic rule, which I like to call "The Boy Who Cried Wolf Principle."

How does this rule work? Suppose that you know this person, whom we will call Ed Vulliamy of the Guardian, and suppose that Ed Vulliamy, in the past has lied to you repeatedly, dramatically, and shamelessly about topic A over many years.

The next time that Ed Vulliamy of the Guardian makes an assertion about topic A with the same slant as assertions on topic A that have repeatedly been huge lies, you have to make one of two choices:

1) Make the provisional assumption that Ed Vulliamy is lying again (until proven otherwise); or

2) Make the provisional assumption that Ed Vulliamy is, for the first time, telling the truth (until proven otherwise).

If you choose the second option you demonstrate that you are an imbecile who cannot reason. This is what Wikipedia, this guy Ed Vulliamy of the Guardian and Penny Marshall of ITN would have us do.

After that last response of mine on Iain Dale's blog, GaffaUK appears to have "thrown in the towel" and has decided to "cut and run", so to speak, just like Norman Fraser of the Scottish Liberal Democrats - aka Mr."Anonymous" did on numerous occasions on your blog A Place To Stand - on the following threads Three Cheers for the Scottish Daily Mail and Trnopolje & Omarska - Two Examples of The Concentration Camp Lie and Reporting of Palestinian Deaths

It appears that just like the SBS Television network (Australian version of the BBC)did in September 2004 when they asked me to show up at their headqaurters in order to be - ahem - cough, cough - supposedly "interviewed" on the genocidal Nazi beliefs & writings of Franjo Tudjman & Alija Izetbegovic; whenever the pro-ITN/Guardian,BBC,CNN pro-Balkan Nazi Western corporate media crowd spewing forth the Nazi Goebbels style "Big Lie" that "Izetbegovic was a politically moderate secular multi-culturalist dedicated to Western liberal democratic values and multi-ethnic peace & harmony in Bosnia whom was merely fighting the Greater Serbian chauvinistic nationalists" ARE CONFRONTED WITH THE IRREFUTABLE FACTS FROM SOMEONE WHOM KNOWS THE HISTORICAL TRUTH ABOUT YUGOSLAVIA , these George Soros,Bilderberg,CFR,Trilateral Commission, Carnegie Endowment, International Crisis Group,Coalition for International Justice, Human Rights Watch, NATO/EU-allied Globalist Western neo-liberal pro-Balkan Nazi "humanitarian bombing" hypocrites simply CUT & RUN FOR COVER LIKE A BUNCH OF COWARDLY, PETRIFIED RABBITS.

Know your subject material chapter & verse, back to front and "off the top of your head" and watch the neo-liberal corporate media globalist hypocrites and their supporters cut and run for cover like the cowardly chicken shit weasels that they are.
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