Monday, December 04, 2006
"JOHN SNOW RAPES & MURDERS CHILDREN" - ALLEGATION REQUIRES NO PROOF ACCORDING TO CHANNEL 4
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I have, for the 2nd time been banned from the C4 News discussion group for the crimes of not accepting the guilt of Milosevic, sea level rise, that our own leaders are not war criminals & for posting on a banned subject (though I couldn't know it was banned at the time).
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Dear C4 Communities,
In response to the decision of Channel 4 to prevent my participation in your news discussion group, yet again, may I confirm that I still consider C4 to be the best news provider on terrestrial UK television, though it must be admitted the competition isn't tough. May I also thank you for this time at least having the common courtesy to confirm why I was censored. Last time I received no explanation though I suspect it was because I had dared to mention that in the ITN vs LM "concentration camp video" even the judge, in summing up for ITN confirmed that ITN had indeed faked the video representing the most important single news story ever broken by them but that LM had erred in failing to bring to their reader's attention the possibility that ITN had been accidentally faking.
I thought this unfair since I had gone to considerable lengths to say that the video was allegedly "accidentally" faked & that ITN had conceivably accidentally failed to notice when it was used wrongly to suggest the existence of a concentration camp & conceivably accidentally not noticed when George Bush used it to support illegal war & conceivable not noticed when the judge said it was faked & conceivably not noticed in each of the succeeding years when ITN did not withdraw their conceivably accidental lie.
Since this has now undeniably been brought to ITN's attention it is, of course, inconceivable that you will be unable to apologise for this allegedly accidental lie this week.
Your current gagging is because of 5 instances.
1) I disputed vociferously that Milosevic was guilty with somebody who made the most outrageous claims, repeatedly & repeatedly refused to produce evidence. I remind you that the legal position is that ANYBODY is innocent until proven guilty & that, due to his murder in custody, Milosevic remains legally innocent. Your action is thus not merely censorship but flies in the face of our legal tradition. If this is your official position C4, or its employees, could not object if somebody, for example, accused John Snow of kidnapping raping & murdering dozens of pre-schoolers purely because there is no evidence. The other disputant was not banned despite what he said being clearly hundreds of times more offensive than anything I did.
2) I accepted that a statement made by another party that there had been no blood test of Milosevic containing rifampcin represented his standard of honesty. Considering that such a test exists & did show poison I believe my remark was as restrained as possible without disputing the proven facts. Since you have said that I may rejoin if "posts of this nature will not occur again" I must ask you what form of words would be within your code & truthful at the same time?
3) I asked a disputant to withdraw the claim that we are currently experiencing a 300 foot sea level rise & the claim that Stephen McIntyre had not shown the mathematics of the Hockey Stick theory of global warming nonviable. Since we aren't & he has I ask again what form of words would be within your code & still truthful?
4) That I attempted to put up a thread relating to the massive & spectacular attack & explosions in Camp Falcon, Iraq which you decided should be censored. One of the problems with censorship is that it is, by it's nature, difficult to tell that a subject has been censored because discussion is censored. Short of C4 publishing a list of subjects censored from C4 discussion I cannot see how it would have been possible for me to pre-censor myself. If you wish me to do so in future, as you suggest, I must ask for specific advice.
5) I referred to Ms Clare Short as an "obscene racist Nazi war criminal". Firstly it is a matter of law that anybody involved in planning or launching an aggressive war is a war criminal, as I proved she had done & the other points were similarly proven (& have not been disputed by you). Even if it is the case of C4 that people should not mention the effects of the law what I said about Ms Short was not as grave a criticism as that of a member of the racial "Untermensch" (i.e. ex-President Milosevic) about whom neither C4 nor anybody else has produced serious evidence. If, as you say, you wish me to stay within your guidelines, it is necessary for you to produce your guidelines. About whom, other than former cabinet members, is it impermissible to ever mention proven criminal activities. About which racial groups, other than the "Untermensch" (Slavs, Jews, Gypsies) is any sort of libel, no matter how obscene, to be supported by C4?
I would like it to be possible for myself, or indeed others of conscience, to participate on the C4 discussion group. I am prepared to avoid telling truths which C4 finds politically unacceptable but am not willing to lie. If you can answer these points about your guidelines it may be possible to progress.
Neil Craig
I have, for the 2nd time been banned from the C4 News discussion group for the crimes of not accepting the guilt of Milosevic, sea level rise, that our own leaders are not war criminals & for posting on a banned subject (though I couldn't know it was banned at the time).
******************************
Dear C4 Communities,
In response to the decision of Channel 4 to prevent my participation in your news discussion group, yet again, may I confirm that I still consider C4 to be the best news provider on terrestrial UK television, though it must be admitted the competition isn't tough. May I also thank you for this time at least having the common courtesy to confirm why I was censored. Last time I received no explanation though I suspect it was because I had dared to mention that in the ITN vs LM "concentration camp video" even the judge, in summing up for ITN confirmed that ITN had indeed faked the video representing the most important single news story ever broken by them but that LM had erred in failing to bring to their reader's attention the possibility that ITN had been accidentally faking.
I thought this unfair since I had gone to considerable lengths to say that the video was allegedly "accidentally" faked & that ITN had conceivably accidentally failed to notice when it was used wrongly to suggest the existence of a concentration camp & conceivably accidentally not noticed when George Bush used it to support illegal war & conceivable not noticed when the judge said it was faked & conceivably not noticed in each of the succeeding years when ITN did not withdraw their conceivably accidental lie.
Since this has now undeniably been brought to ITN's attention it is, of course, inconceivable that you will be unable to apologise for this allegedly accidental lie this week.
Your current gagging is because of 5 instances.
1) I disputed vociferously that Milosevic was guilty with somebody who made the most outrageous claims, repeatedly & repeatedly refused to produce evidence. I remind you that the legal position is that ANYBODY is innocent until proven guilty & that, due to his murder in custody, Milosevic remains legally innocent. Your action is thus not merely censorship but flies in the face of our legal tradition. If this is your official position C4, or its employees, could not object if somebody, for example, accused John Snow of kidnapping raping & murdering dozens of pre-schoolers purely because there is no evidence. The other disputant was not banned despite what he said being clearly hundreds of times more offensive than anything I did.
2) I accepted that a statement made by another party that there had been no blood test of Milosevic containing rifampcin represented his standard of honesty. Considering that such a test exists & did show poison I believe my remark was as restrained as possible without disputing the proven facts. Since you have said that I may rejoin if "posts of this nature will not occur again" I must ask you what form of words would be within your code & truthful at the same time?
3) I asked a disputant to withdraw the claim that we are currently experiencing a 300 foot sea level rise & the claim that Stephen McIntyre had not shown the mathematics of the Hockey Stick theory of global warming nonviable. Since we aren't & he has I ask again what form of words would be within your code & still truthful?
4) That I attempted to put up a thread relating to the massive & spectacular attack & explosions in Camp Falcon, Iraq which you decided should be censored. One of the problems with censorship is that it is, by it's nature, difficult to tell that a subject has been censored because discussion is censored. Short of C4 publishing a list of subjects censored from C4 discussion I cannot see how it would have been possible for me to pre-censor myself. If you wish me to do so in future, as you suggest, I must ask for specific advice.
5) I referred to Ms Clare Short as an "obscene racist Nazi war criminal". Firstly it is a matter of law that anybody involved in planning or launching an aggressive war is a war criminal, as I proved she had done & the other points were similarly proven (& have not been disputed by you). Even if it is the case of C4 that people should not mention the effects of the law what I said about Ms Short was not as grave a criticism as that of a member of the racial "Untermensch" (i.e. ex-President Milosevic) about whom neither C4 nor anybody else has produced serious evidence. If, as you say, you wish me to stay within your guidelines, it is necessary for you to produce your guidelines. About whom, other than former cabinet members, is it impermissible to ever mention proven criminal activities. About which racial groups, other than the "Untermensch" (Slavs, Jews, Gypsies) is any sort of libel, no matter how obscene, to be supported by C4?
I would like it to be possible for myself, or indeed others of conscience, to participate on the C4 discussion group. I am prepared to avoid telling truths which C4 finds politically unacceptable but am not willing to lie. If you can answer these points about your guidelines it may be possible to progress.
Neil Craig
