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Tuesday, March 21, 2006

THREE CHEERS FOR THE SCOTTISH DAILY MAIL

Someone had to draw my attention to these 2 letters published by the Daily Mail (I assume just the Scottish edition since a disproportionate number of letters are from Scotland) since they don't put them on the net & frankly I had not thought that they, or anybody else much, would do so given my experience of not getting letters on Yugoslavia accepted. I suspect that the Scottish edition are anxious to get letters from Scots addresses on their letters page.

The point is however that these 2 letters had gone out to every national UK newspaper & many US ones & nobody else had wished to publish them, indeed the second was originally drafted as a reply to a letter published in both the Herald & Scotsman which neither paper wanted to accept a reply to.
It's called Murder

Slobodan Milosevic is dead, and the NATO-funded "court" will not mourn his passing. By refusing him access to his own doctor & putting him under intolerable pressure when he was known to be very ill, there is a case that his life was deliberately shortened. Legally this is known as murder.

It is not surprising if the West should have chosen to do this. In four-&-a-half-years, the only actual evidence ever produced against Milosevic was the claim by former NATO chief & presidential candidate that at an international conference Milosevic had, for unknown reasons, taken him aside to say he had known in advance about the alleged Srebrenica massacre.

In fact it is highly probable the only deliberate massacre that took place in Srebrenica was the massacre of at least 3,800 Serb civilians of which the Muslim commander, Nasir Oric boasted, and he is alleged to have shown home videos of him beheading people to journalists.

When the history of these atrocities comes to be written, the role of our media will not appear to have been honourable. Throughout, reporting was consistently anti-Yugoslav side and every propaganda lie, no matter how improbable, was treated as fact.

ITN even - it insists accidentally - faked an extremely influential "concentration camp" video. The failure of the media to report on what they called "the trial of the century" as soon as it became clear Milosevic was dismantling the prosecution case is also shameful.
Friday 17th March
Apart from a few words shortening & the addition of an "alleged" re Oric's showing videos this is as I wrote it. They even let through the bit about ITN even though this is precisely the allegation that ITN sued LM magazine over some years ago (ITN's successful prosecution depended on the lack of overwhelming mention of the possibility of accident & that at the time, because the European declaration of human rights didn't apply it was possible for a judge who knew his duty to decide that the truth "didn't matter" & find for the liars).

Still it does establish a precedent.

Earlier letter - 14th March
Divide and Rule

Western leaders are promoting, as a matter of principle, a referendum in Montenegro to get these people to choose independence from Serbia. This is somewhat different from their position in Iraq, where they have struggled, as a matter of principle, to prevent the Kurds choosing independence.

The difference may be that the Montenegrin government is so firmly committed to alliance with Messrs Blair & Bush.

The government of Montenegro, whose leaders the West has accepted "personally benefited finacially" from Western aid, has, for a number of years been recruiting police entirely from Albanians & Croats.

There have been many assassinations of pro-Serb community leaders which the police have, perhaps unsurprisingly been unable to solve.

Were anything remotely like this to have been going on in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, one would expect the numerous western observers to have noticed & expressed doubts as to the reliability of any vote.

This has not happened, as indeed it did not happen in the independence referendum for Bosnia & Hercegovina. Western powers pronounced this a triumph of democracy. It was also the start of five years of genocide.

Perhaps before meddling in the dismemberment of other countries, NATO members might look to their own. Turkey has a genuinely oppressed Kurdish region which would choose separation by a majority of probably 95 per cent.

Spain has, as part of its constitution the forbidding of secession - certainly a large majority of the Basques and probaly also of the Catalans would vote to secede if given the choice.

There is also the question of what sort of "independence" NATO is proposing. Certainly, where we decide the rules and set aside the county's constitution it is a limited sort of independence.
Again a few shortenings & the removal of a particularly graphic passage about net's Montenegrin government use of enslavement & torture of women for fun & the presence of Comorra & KLA gangsters, & also of an overly subtle dig at the US government having fought a civil war against secession. No complaints about that.

All in all, for whatever reason, it is very good to see one newspaper willing to report unpalatable truths when rags such as the Guardian will allow no trace of honesty to be published about their Nazi friends.

Comments:
Your letters are, of course, nonsense. There is now so much evidence of the Srebrenica massacre that denying it took place is laughable.

You also give a very partial account of the Living Marxism libel trial. ITN and the Guardian had published pictures of the Serb-run Trnopolje camp in 1992. The pictures included the famous one of emaciated prisoners looking out through a barbed wire fence. The article which Living Marxism printed alleged that this picture was taken from within a transformer enclosure and that the field the prisoners were in was open and they were free to come and go. The trial was about whether or not this was a concentration camp. ITN won their case because their legal team proved that the prisoners were in a fenced enclosure patrolled by Serbian paramilitaries. ITN also led extensive witness evidence that non-Serbs were held against their will at this camp, that many were mistreated and some were killed. Living Marxism offered no evidence in rebuttal of this evidence and that was why they lost their case.

And anyway, talking about Nazis, was The Daily Mail not the very paper that had the hots for Adolph Hitler?
 
I would be interested to seeing some.

You are quite wrong about the trial - it SHOULD have been about whether it was a concentration camp where they were being held behind barbed wire. In fact that was accepted as untrue, it was about whether, in a British court, the truth doesn't matter.

"Perhaps the most surreal thing of all was that we lost the case, even though the central fact in Thomas Deichmann's article, 'The picture that fooled the world' - that the barbed-wire fence at Trnopolje surrounded the ITN journalists - was never seriously questioned. Indeed, Gavin Millar did such an impressive job of proving it through cross-examination that Justice Morland had to concede in his summing up, 'Clearly Ian Williams and Penny Marshall and their TV teams were mistaken in thinking they were not enclosed by the old barbed-wire fence', before adding in his even-handed way, 'but does it matter?'. from http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/00000002D0E3.htm

I must admit to not having read the Mail in the 1930s - on the other hand I have read the Grauniad & seen ITN while they deliberately lied to help people they knew to be Nazis committed to genocide to do so.
 
Dear Mr./Ms. Anonymous,

You write:

"There is now so much evidence of the Srebrenica massacre that denying it took place is laughable."


Sir/Madam, you better tell that to various UN officers who were on the ground in Bosnia when the alleged massacre of "8,000 muslim men and boys" took place.

For example, consider the following statement by Dutch UN officer Captain Schouten who was in a village adjoining Srebrenica [Bratunac]when the massacre supposedly happened:

"Everybody is parroting everybody, but nobody shows hard evidence. I notice that in the Netherlands people want to prove at all costs that genocide has been committed. (...) If executions have taken place, the Serbs have been hiding it damn well. Thus, I don’t believe any of it. The day after the collapse of Srebrenica, July 13, I arrived in Bratunac and stayed there for eight days. I was able to go wherever I wanted to. I was granted all possible assistance; nowhere was I stopped."
(Captain Schouten was the only UN military officer in Bratunac at the time a massacre is alleged.)
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/falsely.htm

Also this statement by Portuguese UN officer,Carlos Martins Branco,
who was also on the ground in Bosnia when said "massacre" allegedly occurred:
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"If there had been a premeditated [Serbian] plan of genocide, instead of attacking in only one direction, from the south to the north - which left the possibility of escape to the north and west, the Serbs would have established a siege in order to ensure that no one escaped.

"The UN observation posts to the north of the enclave were never disturbed and remained in activity after the cessation of military operations. There are obviously mass graves in the outskirts of Srebrenica as in the rest of ex-Yugoslavia where combat has occurred, but there are no grounds for the campaign which was mounted, nor the numbers advanced by CNN. [Large graves are often dug after a battle in order to dispose of bodies as part of battlefield clean-up. - EC]

"The mass graves are filled by a limited number of corpses from both sides, the consequence of heated battle and combat and not the result of a premeditated plan of genocide, as occurred against the Serbian populations in Krajina, [7] in the Summer of 1995, when the Croatian army implemented the mass murder of all Serbians found there. In this instance, [in the instance of the fall of Krajina] the media maintained an absolute silence, despite the fact that the genocide occurred over a three month period."

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm
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Sir/Madam, the claims of the US & NATO governments through their propaganda organs - the corporate controlled media and NATO owned torture chamber known as the Hague ICTY is what is actually 'laughable'.


Take a look at my comments under Neil Craig's other post: "Milosevic: Murder of The Century" for evidence refuting the Izetbegovic Islamist claim that "8,000 muslim men and boys were shot" by Bosnian Serbs in July 1995 [despite NO mass graves having been found containing bodies identified as military aged Bosnian muslim "men and boys" showing evidence of having been shot -execution style - at close range,while conversely many,many graves containing elderly civilians and children - clearly showing signs of having been slaughtered with iron bars,knives,daggers,axes,and hammers - mutilated and beheaded corpses - HAVE indeed been found in villages both in and adjoining Srebrenica!!

Since the Western media and Hague ICTY refuse to discuss this, it is clear that the victims are civilian Serbs murdered by Naser Oric since over 3,800 were murdered from April 1992 to July 1995. See the official United
Nations documents A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 describing these
hideous murders and rapes available at:

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/docs/UN-1993-1.pdf

The UN document A/47/813, S/24991 on rape by Bosnian muslim & Croat forces in
Bosnia in 1992 can be read at:
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/rapes/raped-serbs.html.

Here is what I wrote recently on the Real History Archives Blog concerning what really happened to the Serbian civilians in Srebrenica - which no politician in the West discusses - and of course NOT reported by the pro - US/NATO Hague ICTY corporate controlled media:

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To make matters worse, these Western officials and troops - who were merely
following orders - actually ASSISTED these Croatian and Muslim Nazis to commit
their odious, despicable crimes against Serbs, Roma and Jews - something far
more reprehensible than merely turning a blind eye.

To add insult to injury, these crimes were not only NOT reported, but the the
victims of the crimes themselves - particularly the Serbs - were blamed and
demonized for the crimes of the perpetrators!!

One such example is Bosnian muslim "warlord" Naser Oric, who went about
murdering Serbs for an entire THREE YEARS from 1992 to 1995 in Srebrenica.

This monster cold bloodedly murdered - using the most hideously brutal methods
- over 3,800 innocent elderly Serbian men, women and even babies and children
under 5, mostly by cutting throats and beheading, often preceded by the most
horrific tortures including cutting off of
limbs,lips,noses,ears,breasts,genitalia,burning of skin and gang rape. See the
photos and videos of the brutal killings at:
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/beheading.wmv
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/001.shtml

Mr. Oric was protected by the West during his mass murder sprees and was never
brought to justice for his crimes of genocide. In fact after the signing of the
"Dayton Accords" in 1995 - after the US/NATO bombed the Bosnian Serbs into
submission - Mr. Oric was left to roam free and became the owner of a "night
club disco" [in reality also a brothel] in Tuzla! All of this was made possible
by neo-colonial Viceroy of Bosnia Herzegovina, "High Representative" Paddy
"Pants Down" Ashdown. Instead of Mr. Ashdown doing his job and bringing this mass murderer to
justice, he was permitted to operate his "night club" for years before finally
being arrested a couple of years ago on minor charges of "mistreating
prisoners". What unbelievable NATO/EU HYPOCRISY!!

Mr. Oric got his inspiration from the World War 2 Bosnian Muslim Nazi SS
Handzar division [see http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm ] and
[http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml]

Mr. Oric actually VIDEOTAPED his heinous crimes and then - with unbelievable,
arrogant pride -BOASTED about it and showed off his loathsome "snuff" videos to
reporters of the Washington Post and Toronto Star. See

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/fulltext.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts2.htm
http://slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg030904.htm

Naser Oric boasted to these US & Canadian reporters that he went about on his
mass murder sprees by using "cold weapons" - knives,
hammers,axes,machetes,daggers,iron bars - against ENTIRE Serbian villages in
and around Srebrenica and Gorazde beginning in 1992 and finally ending in July
1995.

July 1995 is when the Bosnian Serb army re-took the area in a counter-offensive
where the Serbs were falsely accused of "executing 8,000 muslim men and boys".
An accusation used by the West to justify its racist,murderous policies against
the Serbs - the only group opposed to the Nazi and Islamo-Fascist Western
proxies hell bent on illegally forcing the disintegration of the Yugoslav
federation in violation of the Helsinki Accords and the UN Charter.

One of Mr. Oric's favourite sickening acts was to gouge out the eyes, tear the
tongues out,cut the ears off, slit the throats of, cut the noses,ears,and limbs
off, and then finally cut off the heads of children and the elderly in villages
surrounding Srebrenica and Gorazde.

In some cases entire families were either burned to death or murdered with
explosives, with Mr.Oric LAUGHING about it. He even boastfully laughed while
watching the videos of his mass murders, and then saying to the US and Canadian
reporters: "we launched those guys to the moon!"

Mr. Oric went about murdering entire villages - entire generations of families
were completely slaughtered - just as occurred in World War 2 - when well over
1 million Serbs,Jews,and Roma peoples were murdered by Croat, Muslim and
Albanian Nazis -750,000 of these victims were slaughtered in similar fashion to
today's methods in the WW2 Jasenovac death camp [these figures are from German
Nazi and French,British,Italian sources].

Instead of arresting this cold blooded killer, the UN command in 1992/1993,
under French General Phillipe Morillon, actually ASSISTED him to commit his
heinous crimes by requesting that Srebrenica be made a so-called "safe haven"
WITHOUT removing and disarming Naser Oric's 28th muslim army division,
commanded by Naser Oric and receiving instructions from alija Izetbegovic in
Sarajevo.

General Morillon's excuse for this was that he wanted to prevent the Bosnian
Serbs from committing "revenge" because he had seen - in his own words - the
"terrible crimes" committed by Naser Oric's troops.

See http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/052.shtml
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm
http://slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg030904.htm

So the callous despicable murders went on and on for over THREE YEARS without
being reported on by the Western media or even a token attempt to prevent them
by the UN.

See the official United
Nations documents A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 describing these
hideous murders and rapes available at:

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/docs/UN-1993-1.pdf
The UN document A/47/813, S/24991 on rape by Bosnian muslim & Croat forces in
Bosnia in 1992 can be read at:
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/rapes/raped-serbs.html.

The Dutch UN troops did NOTHING to prevent Oric from committing these
despicable acts. Instead we were fed a steady diet of lies and disinformation
with the Srebrenica "safe haven" portrayed as a defenseless town subject to a a
"vicious attack" and then finally "genocide by Bosnian Serb forces in July
1995". A blatant, bald-faced LIE by the Western corporate media whores.

See the following reports for evidence of this monstrous lie by the Western
politicians and media, where the actual victims of genocide are falsely
labelled and tarred as the perpetrators:
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I suggest you take a look at the following URL links:

http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/scandal.htm


http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ihralija2.htm

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ihralija3.htm



http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1703.htm

http://globalresistance.com/articles/pumphrey/scandal.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/vid.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/location.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/moves.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/sinclair/why.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/inaccurate.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/reply.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/letterj.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/fulltext.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/farewell.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/falsely.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/kilibarda/islamist.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/gilwhite/alija1.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/deja.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/standefer/hoax.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm

http://www.srebrenica-report.com


Also, see my very lengthy comments post under "Was Milosevic Poisoned?" on the "Real History Archives" blog at: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6560570&postID=114231811639522214

Sir/Madam, you also make the statement concerning the refugee collection center known as 'Trnopolje'that it was a 'concentration camp' where you write:

"ITN won their case because their legal team proved that the prisoners were in a fenced enclosure patrolled by Serbian paramilitaries. ITN also led extensive witness evidence that non-Serbs were held against their will at this camp, that many were mistreated and some were killed"

Sir/Madam, this is simply NOT true. ITN never proved any such thing. If you doubt this, may I suggest that you read the meticulously researched and rigorously documented articles available at the following URLs:

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/missing.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/villainy.htm

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ihralija3.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/news/film.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/hammond/butdoes.htm

As far as the ITN vs LM trial outcome somehow "proving" that the Bosnian refugee collection center called "Trnopolje" was a "concentration camp" with "armed paramilitaries" guarding it because ITN won the case,may I suggest that you obtain the Emperor's Clothes documentary "Judgement" totally disproving the Western media's claims at:

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http://emperors-clothes.com/news/film.htm

http://emperors-clothes.com/Film/judgment.htm
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There is a money back GUARANTEE with this film, so if after viewing it you still think ITN told the truth about Trnopolje and Omarska, you will get your money fully refunded by Emperor's Clothes.

Excerpts below are from the article "What really happened in Bosnia?"
by Professor Francisco Gil-White,PhD concerning the death/concentration camp lies used against the Serbs:
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The Serbs are the last population in the world that should have been suspected of genocidal behavior.

The history of the Serbs is a history of moral courage. No other people can lay claim to a more dramatic record of fighting racists and protecting minorities. In World War II, nobody in Europe defended their Jewish compatriots more bravely than the Serbs, treating them as their own flesh, and dying along with their Jewish compatriots in concentration camps by the hundreds of thousands. Why? Because, as they chanted in the streets of Belgrade, they preferred death to slavery; they would not collaborate with Hitler’s Final Solution.

Mind you, ordinary Serbs chose to defy Hitler even when their government tried to seek an accommodation with him. That government then fell to a coup-d'Etat that was supported by the Serbs, and which amounted to a declaration of war on Nazi Germany.[29b] The most amazing thing here is that when the Serbs did this, they were already completely surrounded by Hitler and his allies, whose armies had swept all over Europe with little difficulty.

The Croat, Bosnian Muslim, and Albanian populations of WWII, by contrast, for the most part behaved quite differently. As the German armies invaded, they allied en masse with the Nazis, and cooperated enthusiastically in the persecution of Serbs, Jews, and Roma. But the Nazis and their allies were defeated in Yugoslavia by the explicitly tolerant multiethnic movement of the Yugoslav Partisans, which was composed overwhelmingly of Serbs. And it was precisely the Bosnian Serbs - take note - who launched the multi-ethnic Partisan movement. After the war, the Serbs recreated Yugoslavia rather than launch vengeful persecutions - despite the fact that they had just suffered a genocide.[30]

This exemplary moral courage needs to be placed in the context of the especially brutal policies of the Nazis in Yugoslavia. As the eminent Holocaust historian Raul Hilberg explains in his massive work on the subject, Nazi forces in Serbia instituted a policy of killing 100 hostages for every German whom the Serbian Partisans killed. Sometimes the hostages were Jews, and that speaks volumes.

“In a private letter written by Staatsrat Turner [the chief of civil administration under Bohme] to the Higher SS and Police leader in Danzing, Gruppenfuhrer Hildebrandt, on October 17, 1941, he wrote: ‘...for murdered Germans, on whose account the ratio 1:100 should really be borne by Serbs, 100 Jews are shot instead; but the Jews we had in the camps - after all, they too are Serb nationals...’”[31]

In other words, the German Nazis wanted to murder 100 Serbian hostages for every German soldier killed by the Yugoslav Partisans (who were overwhelmingly Serbs). Sometimes what they had were Jewish hostages, but the Nazis concluded that murdering these Jews was an equally effective terror strategy against the Partisans, because it quickly became obvious to them that the Serbs would make no distinction between Orthodox Serbs and Serbian Jews. In fact, the Nazis found it impossible even to enforce their anti-Jewish laws in occupied Belgrade because of massive resistance from the Serbs.[31b]

What happened in Croatia was just the opposite: massive collaboration with the fascist Ustashe regime. The Jews there and in Bosnia were quickly rounded up and killed by their Croat neighbors, and also by large numbers of Bosnian Muslims allied with the Ustashe regime.[31a] All those Jews who were able to flee into the (mostly-Serbian) Partisan orbit, however, were saved.

This all makes it quite unlikely, on first inspection, that the Serbs, of all people, could have become spontaneously genocidal, especially without prodding from their leaders. This is such an unlikely hypothesis, in fact, that it cannot be accepted unless there is overwhelming evidence. But there was no such evidence. Dispatches from Yugoslavia always talked about supposed ‘Serbian atrocities’ that nobody had witnessed. As Ramsay Steele explained in Liberty, for the case of Kosovo:

“The New York Times for May 7 carries a front-page report of the NATO bombing of the town of Prizren. Like so many of these on-the-spot reports it is a mixture of NATO atrocities, which the reporter has witnessed, Serbian-Albanian co-operation and sympathy, which the reporter has witnessed, the return of Albanians to their homes, which the reporter has witnessed, and allusions to Serb atrocities against Albanians, which the reporter has not witnessed, but evidently believes because of what NATO and its media have told him.”[32]

Yes, but a reporter working for the New York Times is not duped by NATO’s media, he is NATO’s media.

And I point out that if accusations of Serbian atrocities in Kosovo were made without being witnessed to, this is in perfect harmony with the fact that no evidence ever turned up for the supposed Serbian atrocities.[32a]

But that was Kosovo. In the case of Bosnia, the crucial allegation of ‘Serbian atrocities’ was the accusation that the Bosnian Serbs had built death camps where they were supposedly murdering Bosnian Muslims. Almost everybody believed this (at the time, I am ashamed to admit, so did I). Why did everybody believe this? For two reasons:

1) most people in the West had zero knowledge of the brave history of the Serbs (I was in this position); and

2) they were told about the supposed death camps, which in fact never existed, over and over and...over again.

How did the media come to blare so insistently that the Bosnian Serbs were running death camps if such camps did not exist?


How were the accusations of war crimes against the Serbs manufactured?
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This is how: In August 1992, ITN journalist Penny Marshall published photographs which were reproduced everywhere and which were described as showing death camps for non-Serbs, followed by immediate comparisons of the Bosnian Serbs to the German Nazis. So the traditional enemies of the Nazis were absurdly painted as “the new Nazis,” and the traditional allies of the Nazis were painted as their victims. This should be compared to the situation in Israel, where the Israeli Jews, the overwhelming majority of which live there because of the massacres and persecutions of the German Nazi Final Solution, or else the expulsions from Arab countries in North Africa and the Middle East that immediately followed, are portrayed as oppressors, while international support is mobilized for the PLO, whose controlling core (Al-Fatah) was created by a leader of Adolf Hitler's Final Solution.[32b]

Now, the photos that were used against the Bosnian Serbs were from the towns of Trnopolje and Omarska. These photos were represented as the opposite of what they were.

I’ll get back to that. But first, I point out that, from the immediate context of the accusations, nobody should have believed these photos depicted death camps in the first place, as Jared Israel pointed out:

[Start Quote From Jared Israel]

In 1992, ITN, the British news station, sent a film team to Bosnia. It was led by Penny Marshall. The ITN people came back with what was supposedly a film of a Serbian concentration camp. A death camp, if you will.

Or will you? A death camp? What is wrong with this story? First off, how did Penny Marshall and an entire film crew get into a Serbian death camp and shoot a film? Didn't somebody have to transport the crew members plus a mountain of equipment? Didn't somebody have to show them around, feed them? The crew needed time to set up their cameras and so on. How did they do all this without getting caught? Did they parachute out of the sky? I mean seriously, didn't they need the cooperation of the administration of the so-called death camp?

They did.

But why would the Serbian authorities want to help? Were they morons? Didn't they know the West was hostile to the Bosnian Serbs? Weren't they attacked every day in the British press? Wasn't the Islamist leader, Izetbegovic, treated as a hero? Knowing ITN was probably anti-Serb, why would the Serbs let an ITN crew in to film - a death camp?

Could it be that the place they filmed was not a death camp? That the Bosnian Serbs let in Penny Marshall and her film crew precisely because they had nothing ugly to hide? Fortunately we don’t have to speculate. By coincidence, a group of Serbian filmmakers accompanied the ITN crew that day. The Serbs shot a movie - that's right, they literally shot a movie - of Penny Marshall and company shooting their movie.[33]

[End Quote From Jared Israel]

If you visit this link you can read about and also purchase the Emperor’s Clothes movie "Judgment!", which includes the RTS footage showing ITN’s Penny Marshall shooting at Omarska and Trnopolje. This is the footage shot by Serbian filmmakers that Jared Israel refers to above.
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/freezer1.htm#film

The film shows very clearly that the places in question were not in the least death camps. One was a camp for prisoners of war where the people who had been trying to murder innocent Serbs were by contrast treated quite humanely by the Serbs who had disarmed them. And the other was a refugee camp for civilians displaced by the war, where unfortunate people were getting food, shelter, and medical attention from the Bosnian Serbs.

On the day that the stills from Penny Marshall's staged footage were unleashed to the world, something rather interesting happened. Without waiting for an investigation, just 20 minutes after the pictures were released (that’s right: 20 minutes, folks), president Bush Sr. changed his policy towards the Balkans and urged a UN Security-Council resolution authorizing use of force (against the Serbs) there.

Wait. Twenty minutes?

Bush decided to call for killing people in Yugoslavia (an extreme decision) on the basis of photos which nobody -- let alone him -- could have examined for more than twenty minutes, let alone examine the claims behind them. What?

Wait again. Twenty minutes!? I cannot get dressed in twenty minutes. Can you? It is quite hard even to get the president on the phone in twenty minutes, because he is a busy man, what with running the most powerful country in the world and such. But should you succeed in contacting the president within those twenty minutes, you would still have to explain what your call was about, and that would be sure to consume all of your remaining twenty. So that leaves no remaining minutes for looking at the photographs, meeting with advisors, sounding out Congress, and finally concluding to change the US government’s policy on a major issue such as this. In fact, any of the above listed activities would, by itself, certainly consume more than twenty minutes. And yet the London Sunday Times reports that this is actually more time than was needed for all that: “less than 20 minutes after [ITN’s] report was broadcast on American television, President Bush changed his policy towards Serbia.”[34]

Few things scream ‘pre-planned’ more loudly than this. So of course Bush was waiting for the photographs. He knew they were on their way and acted immediately as soon as he got them.

The demonization of the Serbs moved quickly.

"In America, full accounts of ITN's harrowing footage were splashed across Newsday, headlined 'Bosnia horror', and The New York Times, under the headline 'Bush urges UN to back force to get aid to Bosnia'. Arnot Walker, a spokesman for ABC television, said: 'The pictures had a huge impact. There was increased pressure on the government to intercede. To see adults starving was like a throwback to the death camps of wartime Germany.'"[34b]

Only two days after the pictures were published, this is what the Europeans, in lock-step with the United States, said, as reported in The Times of London:

“The Foreign Office, acting on behalf of the presidency of the European Community, yesterday condemned the detention camps as ‘repulsive and despicable.’ It said that anyone ordering or committing breaches of the Geneva conventions would be held personally responsible. The strongly worded statement was issued as the ITN reporter Penny Marshall described a camp she had visited in a disused mine at Omarska. She described shaven-headed emaciated prisoners, too terrified to talk, and interviewed former inmates who described prisoners being beaten to death.”[35]

Of course, some people smelled a rat, and accused the ITN crew of having lied. This is when Ed Vulliamy, who had gone to Bosnia with Penny Marshall and the ITN film crew, and who initially wrote a story depicting the supposed horror for The Guardian, wrote an article for The Observer titled "I Stand by My Story," and 'clarified' as follows:

“Omarska, Kereterm and Trnopolje were not industrial extermination camps or death camps, which are proper descriptions of Nazi camps alone. They were camps in which civilians were concentrated prior to deportation, meanwhile tortured, beaten, raped, mutilated or murdered.”[35a]

The nonexistent hair that Vulliamy pretends to split, above, communicates that his detractors were supposedly upset about some narrowly technical definition of "death camp" that Vulliamy had abused. But of course that was not the issue. The issue was that Vulliamy was alleging that people “were concentrated prior to deportation, meanwhile tortured, beaten, raped, mutilated or murdered” by the Bosnian Serbs, and that allegation was a total lie.

Later, ITN used a libel suit to bludgeon a tiny magazine called Living Marxism into bankruptcy for exposing ITN’s lies about the so-called death camps.[36] After this gross miscarriage of justice, in which Living Marxism was ordered to pay an exorbitant sum for the crime of telling the truth, Reuters reported that: “[Penny] Marshall, wiping tears from her eyes, said the judgment was ‘important for the people who were in the camp.’”[37]

Crocodile tears for nonexistent victims.

The alleged Bosnian Serb ‘death camp’ was in fact a refugee camp, and the bewildered refugees said this over and over again to Penny Marshall, correcting her repeatedly even though she kept trying to make them say it was a concentration camp. “No, no. Refugee camp, refugee camp!” they kept saying. Was she deaf? They forcefully denied that they were being mistreated even though Marshall kept trying to make them say that this was the case. “They are very nice. Very nice,” is what they kept replying. They were smiling, at ease, joking with each other... They were obviously well fed. They were not enclosed. They were not guarded by soldiers. In short, they were not even prisoners.

All of this, including Penny Marshall's repeated pleas with the refugees to give her a quote she could use against the Serbs, is evident in the RTS footage, which filmed Penny Marshall shooting her own footage, and which can be seen in the Emperor's Clothes' film "Judgment!".
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/freezer1.htm#film

ITN never showed its running footage to the world because -- well, because it just wouldn’t do to have the so-called victims deny the premise on camera.

And here's the whopper: The refugees flocking to this center were in fact Bosnian Muslim civilians running away from the Islamist terrorists whom Alija Izetbegovic had imported into Bosnia with the help of Iran and the US Pentagon. These Muslim civilians were naturally terrified of Izetbegovic, and so they took refuge where they knew they would be treated humanely and protected: with the Bosnian Serbs!

Just as it does not make sense to think that Milosevic ever said anything racist, given that the mainstream Western media had to lie about an explicitly tolerant speech in order to accuse him of being a hate-monger, it does not make sense to think that the Serbs were really conducting an "ethnic-cleansing" campaign if, in order to accuse them of the same, spectacular lies were resorted to.


The public relations campaign against the Serbs
__________________________________________

What ultimately guaranteed the success of the demonization of the Bosnian Serbs was a well-organized public relations campaign by professionals of the disinformation business. This campaign was conducted by Ruder Finn Global Public Affairs, a Washington, D.C.-based public relations firm that took as clients Tudjman’s fascist Republic of Croatia, Izetbegovic’s Islamist Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina, and the parliamentary opposition in Kosovo, which was in cahoots with the terrorist KLA. If you were an enemy of the Serbs, if you were a fascist, if you were bent on the destruction of the state of Yugoslavia, then, by Jove, you were Ruder Finn’s client!

By contrast, the Bosnian Serbs could not get any PR firm to take them as clients. The leader of the Bosnian Serbs, Radovan Karadzic, explained this in an interview:

KARADZIC: We wanted to show the truth. We had no PR-agency working for us. When we tried to hire one, the agencies would not cooperate because their governments did not allow them to work with and for the Serbs. I ask [Penny] Marshall to admit openly that she was there on our invitation, that she visited Trnopolje, and that she filmed barbed wire which was not part of the camp but of a small piece of adjacent land.[37a]

Two points about this.

First, what Karadzic is referring to is a very small piece of chicken-wire fence that had only two or three strands of barbed wire at the top, and that a child could kick through. If you would like to see for yourself, visit this page:
http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/time.htm

Originally, the puny fence you can see in the photo at the link above had been there to protect a tool shed in land adjacent to the refugee camp. It was just a few feet long, and it was mostly falling down. What Penny Marshall did was set her camera crew inside this tiny partial enclosure, and then called the refugees who were milling about, smiling and chatting among themselves in the summer sun, to come talk to her across a small but still standing section of that one time 'fence.' This made it look as though the refugees were inside an enclosure, when they were in fact outside of what could not even be called an enclosure, anymore. In this way, Penny Marshall did her best to create an image of a death camp.

Everybody looked well fed which was an obvious problem for Penny Marshall. But then she spotted a man who was voluntarily shirtless (as he was holding his shirt in his hand) and whose torso was abnormally -- even freakishly -- thin. She asked that he be brought forth and his friends teased him as they pushed him towards the camera (he smiled bashfully). He was not a starving man in the midst of a well-fed multitude, he was a man with a deformed torso who got teased for it when it proved attractive to the well-heeled Western journalist over yonder with the cameras, lights, and microphones. Penny Marshall had this man front and center for a while, and the camera took a good look at him. Later, this man's picture became the 'evidence' that the Bosnian Serbs were running death camps, hence the phrase quoted above from the Sunday Times that, "To see adults starving was like a throwback to the death camps of wartime Germany.'"

One adult. And he wasn't starving.

If you would like to see the RTS footage that shows Penny Marshall doing all this in real time, purchase Emperor's Clothes movie "Judgment!"
http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/freezer1.htm#film

Something else that matters here is that, as Karadzic says, "we had no PR-agency working for us ... their governments did not allow them to work with and for the Serbs." This means the battle of perceptions was not an even playing field to begin with. The NATO powers made sure that the PR-agency hired by the enemies of the Serbs, Ruder Finn, would have the greatest advantage possible, as it would not have to do battle with a competing public relations firm. This was quite important, because if any public relations firm had taken the Serbs as clients, they would have made mince-meat of Ruder Finn.

Let us get acquainted with Ruder Finn.

James Harff, Ruder Finn's director, with ultimate responsibility for the demonization campaign against the Serbs, proudly explained to Jacques Merlino, associate director of French TV 2, that “Speed is vital ... it is the first assertion that really counts. All denials are entirely ineffective.”

Interesting.

In other words, suppose you make an assertion about G (a person). Since the only thing that matters is the first assertion, and subsequent denials by G will not change the impression created, then one can go ahead and assert a lie. Facts don’t matter in public relations. Take it from Harff - he is the expert. But of course, it helps that the Western governments attacking the Serbs made it impossible for the Serbs to get a public relations firm to compete with Harff; he shouldn't be so smug.

Jacques Merlino conducted his remarkable interview with Harff in April 1993, and it appears in Merlino’s book titled “Some Truths About Yugoslavia Cannot Be Said,” which, not coincidentally, is very hard to find.[38]

Merlino began by describing how Harff employs a file of several hundred journalists, politicians, representatives of humanitarian associations, and academics to create public opinion, and then had Harff explain the stuff above about how denials are entirely ineffective once he has chosen to demonize somebody. Following that, Merlino asked Harff what his proudest public relations accomplishment was in the war on Yugoslavia. Without hesitating, Harff replied:

“To have managed to put Jewish opinion on our side. This was a sensitive matter, as the dossier was dangerous looked at from this angle. [Croatian] President Tudjman was very careless in his book, ‘Wastelands of Historical Reality.’ Reading his writings one could accuse him of anti-Semitism….”

One “could accuse him of anti-Semitism”? Yes, I suppose one could, in the same way that one “could accuse” Hitler of the same. I suppose Harff thinks that Hitler was also “very careless” (he does seem to have misplaced between 5 and 6 million Jews).

The late Franjo Tudjman and his followers are adherents to the same clerical (Catholic)-fascist Ustashe ideology which was rampant in Croatia during World War II, and which carried out crimes of genocide against Croatian democrats, and with special ferocity against Serbs, Jews, and Roma, whatever their politics. To get a sense of what Ustashe ideology is like, consider what happened in WWII, as explained by a study done by the US military:

“…from the beginning the Ustashe adopted an anti-Serb policy of massacres, expulsions, and forced conversions to Catholicism. Concentration camps were established for Serbs, Jews, and Croatian democrats.” (p.30)

“…The Ustashe were vehemently Catholic, anti-Semitic, and anti-Serbian; their avowed policy was to convert one-third of the Serbs, deport another third, and ‘eliminate’ the rest. The regime closed all Serbian Orthodox Primary Schools, outlawed the Cyrillic alphabet, and ordered Serbs to wear colored arm bands.” (p.69)

“Serbs were major participants in the Partisan liberation movement; their suffering at the hands of the Croatian fascists appalled even the Nazis.”(p.68)[39]

It was this very Ustashe ideology that Franjo Tudjman and Co. had revived, even repatriating from the Croatian diaspora Ustashe criminals and their families who had fled to other countries in 1945 (with the help of the Vatican and the US Army [39a]), and who spent their years in exile plotting and carrying out various terrorist attacks against Yugoslavia. In 1989-90 many of these criminals and their children returned to Croatia and Bosnia where they provided crucial leadership for the new fascist movements. Croatian President Tudjman put some of them in the highest posts of his administration.

To read more about Franjo Tujman’s neo-Ustashe regime, go here:
http://www.psych.upenn.edu/~fjgil/Kosovo.htm#APPENDIX

Concerning Franjo Tudjman’s proud antisemitism, consider that he was a Holocaust denier who wrote “that estimates of the number of Jewish victims in the Holocaust were vastly inflated and that the main characteristics of Jews were ‘selfishness, craftiness, unreliability, miserliness, underhandedness and secrecy.’”[40] He also wrote that the butchery committed against Jews and Serbs in WWII fascist Croatia had supposedly been wildly exaggerated. He oversaw a new genocide of the Serbs in our time and also a renewed persecution of Jews in Croatia.[41]

So this is the man whose image James Harff, director of the public relations firm Ruder Finn, was trying to clean up. As James Harff concedes, this represented a challenge. It was likewise a challenge to clean up the image of Alija Izetbegovic, a problem that Harff also conceded.

HARFF: “…In Bosnia the situation was no better: President Izetbegovic strongly supported the creation of a fundamentalist Islamic state in his book, ‘The Islamic Declaration.’ Besides, the Croatian and Bosnian past was marked by real and cruel anti-Semitism. Tens of thousands of Jews perished in Croatian camps, so there was every reason for intellectuals and Jewish organizations to be hostile toward the Croats and the Bosnians. Our challenge was to reverse this attitude and we succeeded masterfully.”

So how did James Harff solve his problem, which was that he needed to make these fascists look like victims?

[Back to Merlino's Interview with James Harff]

HARFF: “At the beginning of July 1992, New York Newsday came out with the article on Serb camps. We jumped at the opportunity immediately. We outwitted three big Jewish organizations - the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation League, The American Jewish Committee and the American Jewish Congress. In August, we suggested that they publish an advertisement in the New York Times and organize demonstrations outside the United Nations.

“That was a tremendous coup. When the Jewish organizations entered the game on the side of the [Muslim] Bosnians we could promptly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind. Nobody understood what was happening in Yugoslavia. The great majority of Americans were probably asking themselves in which African country Bosnia was situated.

“By a single move, we were able to present a simple story of good guys and bad guys which would hereafter play itself. We won by targeting the Jewish audience. Almost immediately there was a clear change of language in the press, with use of words with high emotional content such as ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, etc., which evoke images of Nazi Germany and the gas chambers of Auschwitz. No one could go against it without being accused of [Holocaust] revisionism. We really batted a thousand in full.”

[Quote ends here]

Clearly, Harff was just bursting with pride at what he had achieved.

Merlino then asked what he may have thought would be an uncomfortable question: “But between 2 and 5 Aug. 1992 when you did this you had no proof that what you said was true. All you had were two Newsday articles.” (Notice that Merlino seems to think - like most people - that proof did eventually surface; this is false.)

The question did not faze Harff. He replied:

“Our work is not to verify information. We are not equipped for that. Our work is to accelerate the circulation of information favorable to us, to aim at judiciously chosen targets. We did not confirm the existence of death camps in Bosnia, we just made it widely known that Newsday affirmed it. … We are professionals. We had a job to do and we did it. We are not paid to moralize.”

So Harff, the non-moralist public relations mercenary who spread unverified claims all over the world, with lightning speed, and against which denials would be futile, had nary a qualm as to whether the claims were actually true or false, nary a qualm as to whether his clients were fascists, fundamentalists, or terrorists. In fact, he hadn’t even looked into the photographs. He just went ahead and demonized an entire people because he is a professional.

The traditional enemies of fascism were painted as fascists, whereas the erstwhile allies of the fascists, who were once again spreading fascism with murder and genocide, were depicted as victims.

The world was turned upside down.

The Jews are considered the moral authority on genocide, not coincidentally because they were the target of the most spectacular genocide in recent memory: the WWII Shoah. Thus, if the major American Jewish organizations accused the Serbs of running death camps, the Serbs would be finished in the court of world opinion. Armed with nothing more than the claim, in Newsday, that photographs of Bosnian Serb death camps supposedly existed, what did Ruder Finn do? James Harff explains, “We outwitted three big Jewish organizations...” “We won by targeting the Jewish audience...” “we were able to present a simple story of good guys and bad guys which would hereafter play itself.”

In other words, Harff is saying that his job was to fool the Jewish community with lies into supporting antisemites, thereby to create a picture of 'good guys vs. bad guys' where Izetbegovic and Tudjman would be the 'good guys' and Radovan Karadzic and Slobodan Milosevic would be the 'bad guys.'

James Harff does not say that his job was to fool the people who run the media. And he doesn't say that his job was to fool NATO governments. In this he is once again candid, because Bush’s twenty minute reaction necessarily moves faster than Ruder Finn’s demonization campaign. In fact, there is no real distinction between Ruder Finn, NATO governments, and the propaganda Western media. So, as Harff's statements make clear, Ruder Finn’s job was to achieve the following two goals:

1) to fool the honest among the rank-and-file people who work for the mainstream Western media, and who these days are instructed not to do any research and instead to get their 'facts' from organizations such as Ruder Finn [41a]; and

2) to fool the rank-and-file membership of the above-named Jewish organizations (or to 'outwit' them, as Harff himself puts it).

But Harff was not fooling the leadership of these Jewish organizations, because this leadership understands perfectly well what the history of Yugoslavia was like in World War II. It is their job to know this sort of thing.

What emerges from all this is that the imperial strategy used against the Bosnian Serbs is thoroughly political - it relies on the manipulation of information to construct pseudo-realities that will tug at the heartstrings of honest and well-intentioned ordinary people. Once honest and well-intentioned ordinary people were taught to believe that the Bosnian Serbs were carrying out a genocide, the Bosnian Serbs were finished.

The same strategy is used to mobilize ordinary people on issues all over the world. As Emperor’s Clothes has argued in numerous articles, what passes for ‘the political Left’ these days is nothing of the sort, given that people who describe themselves as leftists are easily found to be agitating for fascist organizations such as the PLO, and attacking the traditional victims of fascism: the Jews. This is done through disinformation that whitewashes the PLO and unfairly demonizes their Jewish opponents.[41b] It is also done by almost never mentioning the appalling crimes of the PLO against the Palestinian Arabs - the very people whom they supposedly represent but whom they in fact routinely and savagely oppress. The result is a compromised and corrupted Left which cannot therefore offer any real resistance to the ongoing sponsorship of racism as a tool of imperialism. For these reasons, it is crucial for Serbs to understand that most ordinary American Jews really don’t know what happened in Yugoslavia. They didn't lie about anything, and they didn't attack the Serbs. It was the leaders of American Jewish organizations that did that, and these leaders, even if they are Jewish themselves, are not 'the Jews.'

One of the continuing tragedies here is that most ordinary American Jews still don’t know how the forces of the US-led empire used their name to provide cover for a revived fascism in Europe. The war on Yugoslavia was in part an attack on the Jews, not only because the US and its allies sponsored violent antisemitic fascists, but because it drove a wedge between the Serbs and the Jews.

It is also worth pointing out, however, that the leadership in Israel did take notice of what was going on, and did support the Serbs -- that is, until the United States forced them to back down. Richard J. Aldrich, Professor of Politics at the University of Nottingham, in an article for The Guardian titled “America Used Islamists To Arm The Bosnian Muslims: The Srebrenica Report Reveals The Pentagon's Role In A Dirty War,” wrote the following:

[Quote from the Guardian starts here]

“Now we have the full story of the secret alliance between the Pentagon and radical Islamist groups from the Middle East designed to assist the Bosnian Muslims...[Meaning the Muslim faction led by Alija Izetbegovic, which attacked the Bosnian Serbs, unlike the faction led by the more popular Fikret Abdic, which allied with the Bosnian Serbs - EC]

...Meanwhile, the secret services of Ukraine, Greece and Israel were busy arming the Bosnian Serbs. Mossad was especially active and concluded a deal with the Bosnian Serbs at Pale...[42]

[Quote ends here]

(Notice that it was also the government in Ukraine that supported the Serbs. This would be the same government that the United States is now trying to oust from that country.[42a])

Recently, the leading Zionist news service, Israel National News (Arutz Sheva) published an article by a Serb, Petar Makara, who is one of the best-known defenders of the Serbs, worldwide. In this article Makara explained what was done to the Serbs, and also the similarities between the attack on Yugoslavia by the US-led empire and the current attack on the Israeli Jews. He expressed great sympathy for the suffering of the Jews at the hands of Yasser Arafat.[42b] This is a hopeful sign that the imperial strategy of trying to divide Serbs and Jews with lies will fail. It is also a hopeful sign that Israeli Jews will wake up and realize that the United States ruling elite is not their ally, something that in fact is quite easy to document.[42c]

Resistance to the US-led empire requires a restored unity between Jews and Serbs, the traditional enemies and victims of fascism. The forces of empire would prefer Serbs to be antisemites and for the Jews to be serbophobic. If the Serbs become antisemites, they will have handed their NATO attackers their most resounding victory. Ruder Finn’s public relations campaign on behalf of the serbophobic and also antisemitic fascists, which relied on using the leadership of the American Jewish organizations to give these fascists moral cover, was designed to hit the Serbs where it hurt the most -- to make them feel betrayed by those whose lives they had bravely and honorably died protecting in World War II. But there has been no such betrayal. Agents of the US-led empire at the top of US Jewish organizations are not ‘the Jews,’ just as the current NATO-installed government in Serbia is not ‘the Serbs.’ Neither does one prominent French Jewish philosopher such as Bernard Henry-Lévi, whom we encountered making an absurd defense of Alija Izetbegovic in part 2 of this series, represent ‘the Jews.’

Most ordinary Jews, in fact, don’t know the history of Yugoslavia, quite sadly, and this owes much to the fact that the story of WWII Serbian bravery was suppressed by Marshall Tito, the Croatian national who ruled post-war Yugoslavia until he died in 1980. And ordinary Jews are as misinformed about the recent wars in Yugoslavia as the rest of the world, because they read the same media as everybody else.

Emperor’s Clothes is proud simultaneously to defend both Jews and Serbs. It is quite common for Serbs who know us and respect us for our quality research on NATO’s assault against Yugoslavia to change their minds about the situation in Israel when our reputation compels them to read our research about the Arab-Israeli conflict. The argument is not difficult, since the forces attacking the Jews are the same fascist and Islamist forces that played a big part in the destruction of Yugoslavia. To give just one example, the original Nazi SS Handzar Division, which Izetbegovic resuscitated, was put together by the Palestinian Arab Hajj Amin al Husseini, who was an enthusiastic Nazi with cabinet-level rank in Adolf Hitler's government, a leader of Hitler’s Final Solution, the father of the Palestinian movement, and Yasser Arafat’s mentor.[43]

Similarly, Jews who know us and respect us for our work refuting the lies said about Israel, and about the Jews more generally, are discovering our articles about Yugoslavia and changing their minds.

May the future bring increasing understanding and restored unity between the Jewish and Serbian people, both of them very necessary to the furthering of world peace!

And may the Bosnian Serbs hold fast and continue to resist courageously, drawing at least some strength from knowing that they have inspired some of us to fight for them. My life has been changed by their example, and I am not alone.

http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ihralija3.htm
 
Gentlemen. The net is a wonderful source of information I'm sure you will agree.

A brief Google search for 'Living Marxism' quickly turns up lots of information on this publication, which is neither living nor Marxist, and on the very dubious reputation of the group of people associated with it. Try 'SourceWatch' for starters

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Living_Marxism#Bosnia

'Spiked online', Mr Craig's source, is run by ex-members of the LM team. The 'Living Marxism/Spiked' version of the trial concentrates on playing word games with descriptions of the fence. The trial actually did deal with the question of whether the camp was a prison and whether those pictured were free or not. A visit to the 'Guardian' site will produce a totally different version of events. Your readers can make up their own minds.

Mr North's apologia is a reheating of Serbian propaganda, mostly from 'The Emperor's Clothes'. Anyone visiting their site can easily spot the bias. Their association with the campaign to free Slobodan Milosevich is a bit of a give-away. Any curious reader wishing a more credible view should again Google search 'Srebrenica Massacre' and read the witness testimony and accounts of the forensic evidence now available. The Wikipedia article on the massacre is a good starting point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_Massacre
 
I agree that the first link you supplied is worth reading, it does not support your claim of bias. Indeed it reposts the original article that ITN sought to suppress, with a related article, at http://web.archive.org/web/19991006002016/www.informinc.co.uk/LM/LM97/LM97_Bosnia.html

Spiked/LM is a well regarded organisation which anybody should read on a very large variety of subjects. For anybody to be accused of bias for defending Slobodan Milosevic presupposes that he was not only guilty but more guilty than Tudjman & Clinton - if that is not accepted one could more reasonably argue that any publication that does not support him shows bias.

By coincidence the very Wikipedia article you hold up as a good starting point has been the subject of a previous article by me ( http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2005/06/wikipedia-nazi-monopoly-on-tudjman.html ) pointing out that the moderator deliberately censors the alternate view - although there is a section purporting to be about the alternate position any contribution to it by people who do not oppose it is rigorously excised. It is indicative, & to be expected, of the Nazi position that they do not allow free debate on these matters as we, as you are proving, do.
 
Ah, you noticed that both the links I gave actually quoted arguments and material from both sides! This was my aim. I asked your readers to follow the links and make up their own minds. If they do that they may well question your view on the veracity of ‘Spiked online’. As to the word ‘bias’, although it is often used in a pejorative sense it can mean no more than ‘inclination’ and ‘proneness’. You are surely not disputing that ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ supports a pro-Serb line? The mistake would be to lead anyone to believe that it is objective. As to denying free debate on this subject (you appear to be calling me a Nazi for preferring a view different to your own), how can I do that? It’s your blog and you control what appears on it.

As to your own commitment to free debate and on the subject of Wikipedia censorship, if your readers follow the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Srebrenica_massacre/Archive1#Schouten_quote

they will get an insight into the sort of thing that was ‘censored’ when they read your contribution to a discussion on the content of a previous version of the article.
 
"You are surely not disputing that ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ supports a pro-Serb line? The mistake would be to lead anyone to believe that it is objective."

Objectivity is not the same as a refusal to draw conclusions. If it is a matter of fact that there is more evidence that Clinton & Tudjman were guilty of aggressive war & genocide than Milosevic & that the Nato funded court has ignored that then objectivity requires that this be mentioned.

Emperor's Clothes would be failing in objectivity if they had said something that was untrue or failed to report something injurious to Milosevic's case. you have made no attempt to show any such incident (or to accuse the BBC, CNN etc of lack of objectivity when they suppressed any report of our allies public commitment to genocide).

You clearly know something of what you are talking about yet have made no attempt to produce any evidence for your claims that my letters were "nonsence", ITN hadn't (accidentally or otherwise) faked their film, LM/Spiked were dishonest, Emperor's Clothes inaccurate or indeed anything else. that you cannot do so strongly suggests that when you take away the name calling from the Nato/Nazi case there is no case.
 
Dear Mr./Ms. Anonymous,


"apologia"? "Serbian propaganda"? Nice try, Sir/Madam. I anticipated you were going to fall back on that hollow,specious argument.

I have extensively written about this lame fallback of defenders of the Izetbegovic Islamist faction version of events on the Real History archives blog at:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6560570&postID=114231811639522214.


The "its all Serb propaganda" argument is all so very EASY - it doesn't even need or trouble itself with bothering to actually refute anything with logically coherent counter arguments and research containing rigorously documented evidence, it just dismisses the evidence by ad hominem attacks on the credibility of the publisher (instead of the facts and documented evidence cited) by saying its all merely "Serb propaganda" because the people who published it are all "defenders of Milosevic".

Are you for real?
How would you use this type of argument in a real court of law ?

So,according to this line of reasoning, Milosevic, being so thoroughly demonized by the media and US/NATO government officials, is somehow GUILTY until proven innocent? What unbeliveable BIAS and prejudice!

You should be working for the 'prosecution' (or maybe the 'judges' since they are on one and the same side of the bench) at the NATO owned Hague ICTY, Mr./Ms. Anonymous!! (NATO officials have admitted it themselves IN PUBLIC on several occasions that they CONTROL and fund this corrupt institution, so when Milosevic conveniently dies just a few short months before a verdict is due in his 'trial',and complains of being poisoned just three days before his death, he was, indisputably a prisoner of NATO and NOT the UN).


Mr./Ms. Anonymous, sorry to disappoint you, but I DON'T quote nor do I use "Serbian propaganda" as my sources and neither does Emperor's Clothes, Historical & Investigative Research, The Srebrenica Report Research Group, or the prestigious International Strategic Studies Association in Washington D.C et al.

Come on, Mr./Ms. Anonymous, you can do better than the tired old 'cop out' cliche of "it must be 'Serbian propaganda'" used by NATO governments and those who insist on the pro-Izetbegovic Islamist version of events whenever confronted with indisputable facts they don't like.

The fact that you dismiss all of the research done and massive amount of documented evidence compiled by Emperor's Clothes and other research groups actually proves YOUR bias and not mine or Neil Craig's.

Emperor's Clothes as well as 'Historical & Investigative Research' and the other independent non-NATO,non-Soros funded research groups mentioned above only utilize meticulously researched and rigorously documented evidence from UN officials - both civilian & military officers - as well as mainstream media press reports and rigorously documented evidence compiled by other independent investigative researchers & journalists all over the world [i.e not loyal to US/NATO governments] who have backed up the accounts given by the UN officers who were actually ON THE GROUND in Bosnia Herzegovina when the alleged events occurred. This is NOT "Serb propaganda" as you claim. Quite the contrary.

If research groups like Emperor's Clothes, H.I.R., and the International Strategic Studies Association in Washington, D.C.,et al, cite this documented evidence, submitted by UN officers, then that doesn't mean that they are "apologists" or "genocide/holocaust deniers" [even the words 'genocide' and "holocaust" are completely inappropriate for the alleged shooting of 8,000 of Izetbegovic's troops and are a grievous insult to those who were genuine victims of a REAL genocide, such as my mother's entire family in the WW2 Holocaust - victims of a systematic industrial scale mass extermination program by the German Nazis - for example].

"Apologia" is when one denies a proven,documented crime, such as for example the hideously brutal mass murder of more than 3,800 Serbian elderly men,women and children in and around Srebrenica and Gorazde from April 1992 to July 1995 - and the mass murder and rapes of thousands of Serbs in other areas of Bosnia right up until the end of September 1995.

The fact that you dismiss it all because the documents appear on Emperor's Clothes, again proves your anti-Serbian bias and shows who the "apologist" and "war crimes denier" really is.

These Izetbegovic perpetrated massacres have been documented in official United Nations documents A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 and published, NOT by the "mainstream" US/NATO corporate controlled media as it should have been, but by independent research groups like Emperor's Clothes, Historical & Investigative Research, The Srebrenica Report Research Group and the International Strategic Studies Association among numerous other independent research groups and individuals all over the world including the Center for Research on Globalization, based in Canada.

The fact that the above UN documents are virtually unknown in the West speaks volumes about the supposed "free press" and the honesty of the US/NATO governments and their backing of the Izetbegovic faction's version of events.

Even former UN General Phillipe Morillon - commander of UN troops in 1993 - and certainly no friend of the Serbs - admitted under oath at the Milosevic "trial" that he had personally witnessed these massacres perpetrated by Naser Oric and that Oric was "receiving his instructions" from Izetbegovic in Sarajevo.

The UN officers who did NOT find a shred of evidence to support the claims for any such alleged massacre of 7,000 to 8,000 of Izetbegovic's "muslim men and boys" who were allegedly "lined up and shot by Bosnian Serbs" when these UN officers arrived on the scene, are not "apologists" or "war crime deniers". They are merely describing events that they themselves experienced whilst present on the ground when said events were alleged to have taken place. These were UN officers from the Netherlands and Portugal - hardly friends of the Serbs - were there on the scene at the time and did NOT find any evidence for a massacre. It is exceedingly difficult to hide a massacre of 7,000 to 8,000 troops especially more so when the entire Western world's attention is focussed on the area and you are in the middle of a war zone surrounded and outnumbered by hostile forces.

The LACK of these 7,000/8,000 bodies of Izetbegovic's troops (described as "muslim men and boys" to mislead the public) showing evidence of execution by gunshot at close range, has prompted many to speculate - particularly US officials of the Clinton Administration era - that the Serbs "must have dug up the bodies and re-buried them in Serbia".

Apart from the utter implausibility of this theory - considering the fact that the Bosnian Serbs would have been caught red handed doing it - since Bosnia was under intense US/NATO satellite,geo-stationary drone, UAV and reconnaisance 'spy plane' surveillance - the thinly stretched Bosnian Serb VRS army didn't have the material or man-power resources to perform such a monumental feat of a "cover-up".

When no evidence of this alleged "re-burying of 8,000 bodies in Serbia" emerged after more than 10 years and the installation of a puppet client regime in Belgrade in October 2000, other pro-Izetbegovic NATO and Clinton Administration era officials have speculated that the Serbs "must have used mobile crematoria[?!] and dumped the ashes of the bodies into the river Drina".

Trouble is, again, apart from being utterly ludicrous and physically impossible to carry out without detection, there is not a shred of evidence for this either, even after almost 11 years and a compliant,client regime of Washington's, which long ago would have dug up the alleged grave sites.

You also dismiss the fact that the Izetbegovic Islamist faction even admitted that 5,000 of their men made it safely to Tuzla through the Izetbegovic faction's Bosnian muslim lines.This is hardly surprising since the population of Srebrenica before it fell to the Bosnian Serb VRS army according to the UN was 40,000, and in the aftermath of the fall of the enclave, the UN registered 35,632 civilian survivors.
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[Former BBC journalist]Rooper points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995 before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim-dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.

While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded, an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba. Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20 sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three year period.
Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official story.

Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was “not only beyond the capabilities of the thinly-stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army, but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from satellites and geostationary drones”.

By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state-of-the-art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica.

Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. “I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive,” says Rooper. “The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate.”

The inflated Srebrenica statistics are part of a larger picture that intelligence experts such as Bodansky and Copley find troubling. They say US policymakers have been slow to recognize that Bosnia is viewed as a strategic base for operations in Europe by al-Qaida and the HizbAllah. In 1993, when the Clinton Administration was strongly backing the Muslim President of Bosnia, Alija Izetbegovic, Osama Bin Ladin was regular visitor to his office, according to Renate Flottau of the German weekly, Der Spiegel. The Bosnian daily, Dani, reported that the Vienna Embassy of BiH issued a passport to Bin Ladin in 1993.

ISSA's Special Reports Balkan Stratgic Studies,
September 19, 2003

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm

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"In addition to the 35,632 registered survivors, the International Committee of the Red Cross observed that “several thousand men,” (at least 3,000) who fled from Srebrenica with the 28th Division had survived the harrowing journey across Serb held territory and were redeployed to fight elsewhere “without their families being informed.” Dutch military observers and British SAS intelligence officers in Srebrenica witnessed a bitter battle between Muslim factions, before the Serbs entered the town. These observers say that the clash between Muslim men who wanted to stay and defend the town and those who followed orders to evacuate, left about 100 were killed and their bodies were left where they had fallen. Some 700 Muslim soldiers from Srebrenica made their way to Zepa, emerging safely when that town fell to the Serbs during the last week of July 1995."

Quotes above are from ISSA's Washington D.C. based, GIS Defense & foreign Affairs Report Volume XXIII, No. 62, Friday,June 17,2005
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm
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You also ignore the fact that the names of 3,016 Izetbegovic troops who were listed as "missing presumed dead" miraculously matched the names who voted in the European OSCE monitored Bosnian elections in 1996. Either 3,016 of Izetbegovic's people got up out of their graves and voted in Bosnia's elections or you are left with no alternative but to accept that the European OSCE - whom the media kept repeating over and over was vigorously scrutinizing the Bosnian elections to prevent election vote fraud - is guilty of an elaborate conspiracy in conjunction with Izetbegovic's people in conducting a massive election fraud.Take your pick.

Mr./Ms. Anonymous, since it is only logically possible to actually prove a positive and logically impossible to prove a negative, it is not up to me or anybody else in the world to DISPROVE the charge being made [i.e that "8,000 muslim men and boys were lined up and shot"] it is up to those making the charge -i.e., US/NATO governments,the media and the Bosnian muslims of the Izetbegovic faction and people like you, who insist on this version of events - to actually PROVE it with documented evidence -not merely endlessly repeated accusations [so-called 'eyewitness testimony' you refer to] since the burden of proof is on those making the charge/accusation.

Since the burden of proof and onus is on those making the charge to provide documented proof, it serves no purpose to insult anyone who asks for evidence by falesly labelling them "an apologist" for a "genocide" that has never been proven. By doing so you are actually showing YOUR bias and engaging in "begging the question": which is assuming the truth of an argument/charge to be PROVED without actually arguing it by providing PROOF/EVIDENCE to support it.


I notice you cite no documented evidence nor do you actually refer to ANY evidence that actually refutes the documented evidence I refer to, but instead dismiss all the evidence by saying that because it appears on the Emperor's Clothes research group's website - who on the basis of the investigative research found plenty of exculpatory evidence - and ipso facto - came to the logical conclusion that Slobodan Milosevic was falsely charged for a crime that was never proven in the first place.

That this somehow constitutes "bias" on the part of Emperor's Clothes is an example of the old "are you still beating your wife?" type of specious argument whenever confronted with facts and documented evidence one cannot refute.

The best you can do is cite a Wikipedia article to prove your case. Wikipedia "moderators" are notorious for censoring [i.e deleting] any information they don't like - both I and Neil Craig have attempted to provide documented evidence in relation to the alleged events at Srebrenica [e.g. citing UN officials on the ground and plenty of other documented evidence]and EVERY single time the information and URL links are posted, they get deleted soon after.We have attempted to do the same for Wikipedia's entry on the late Franjo Tudjman, and again each time we post information refuting the claims, our posts are deleted soon after.

Wikipedia's so-called "biography" on the late pro-Ustasha [Croatian National Socialist SS]president Franjo Tudjman, is an unabashed defense of his numerous massive war crimes against the Serbs[mass murder & ethnic cleansing of 275 to 350 Thousand Serbs in Krajina]in Operations "Medak Pocket","Flash",and "Storm",his cleansing of over 550,000 Serbs from 1990 to 1995, his defense of Adolf Hitler's "New European Order", Ante Pavelic's Independent State of Croatia, and the Holocaust itself, because of "the need to remove the Jews", "who were undesirable more or less in all European countries" and "Genocide is a natural phenomenon in harmony with the societal and mythologically Divine nature" [ethics] and "..Genocide is not only pemitted, it is also recommended, even commanded by the Word of the Almighty, whenever it is useful for the survival of the kingdom of a chosen people and the spreading of its one and only true Faith" and his blatant Holocaust denial by claiming that "the figure of six million dead is "exaggerated" being based on "emotionally biased testimonies" and that no more than 900 thousand were killed [this is from Tudjman's 1989 book, "Wasteland's of Historical Reality"]. All of this is SPUN and twisted by saying that he never really meant any of it and that its really just all merely Communist "Serb propaganda" [similar to what you are saying].

This is hardly surprising, since it is a virtual word for word verbatim COPY of the Croatian [HDZ party] government's ministry of information biographical press release given to Western journalists via PR firms Ruder Finn and Waterman Associates ,ultimately ending up on the "neutral" Wikipedia. What a sick joke.

So, Mr./Ms. Anonymous, if you want living proof of outright BIAS,disinformation and REAL Holocaust denial, then Wikipedia is the best example there is.While it is a reasonably good source for "neutral" information for many scientific and cultural topics,it is a thoroughly discredited source of information on the history of the Balkans conflicts of 1990 - 1999 precisely because of its blatant censorship, disinformation and re-posting of Croatian HDZ government and Izetbegovic SDA government press releases.

Remember,Tudjman is the guy the Izetbegovic pro-Nazi SS Islamists allied themselves with in 1992 in order to slaughter the Serbs. The Izetbegovic Islamists, apart from resurrecting the Nazi SS "Handzar" division in the early part of 1992, as Izetbegovic's personal praetorian body guards in order to send a message to the Serbs reminding them of the Holocaust they suffered at the hands of the very same Nazi SS division in WW2, also made public statements/threats in unabashedly pro-Nazi SS publications like the ones that appeared in Sarajevo's "Vox" magazine one year BEFORE the outbreak of war (i.e. in 1991) - See http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml - and repeated these same pro-Nazi SS sentiments again in the Sarajevo based "Svijet" magazine in 1997, see http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm


The Izetbegovic radical Islamist faction is not to be confused with the peace-loving moderate and secular pro-Fikret Abdic MAJORITY of Bosnian muslims who allied themslelves with the Bosnian Serbs and utterly loathed Izetbegovic - and NEVER voted for him - utterly strange behavior for these majority Bosnian muslims - who according to the US/NATO corporate controlled media - the Bosnian Serbs detested so much, that they supposedly wanted to perpetrate a genocide upon them. The reality is that thousands of pro-Fikret Abdic Bosnian muslims were brutally slaughtered by the Izetbegovic Islamists in 1993/1994 - something the Western politicians and media don't wish to discuss.

These Izetbegovic Islamists are the very same people who - AFTER Madeleine Albright made the accusation of a massacre ONE ENTIRE MONTH after the events allegedly occurred, by waving a satellite photo at the UN headquarters in New York (allegedly showing a mass grave in the soccer filed Nova Kasaba) first accused the Serbs of "executing 7,000 muslim men and boys" - this depite the fact they had committed a REAL genocide of Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica and adjoining towns and villages for MORE THAN THREE YEARS running from April 1992 to July 1995 [Documented in the official United Nations reports documents A/48/177, S/25835 and A/47/813, S/24991 describing these
hideous murders and rapes]:

See
http://www.srebrenica-report.com/docs/UN-1993-1.pdf
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/mem.htm

The UN document A/47/813, S/24991 on rape by Bosnian muslim & Croat forces in
Bosnia in 1992 can be read at:
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/rapes/raped-serbs.html

Incidentally, since you dismiss ALL of the rigorously documented evidence compiled by Emperor's Clothes [and I presume 'Historical & Investigative Research' as well] because you accuse them of "defending Slobodan Milosevic"- ipso facto, by some bizarre logic, their rigorously documented research should all be casually be dismissed out of hand, it may surprise you to learn that the prestigious International Strategic Studies Association based in Washington D.C. in the United States were - despite their regular exposure of the blatant falsehoods of the media and US/NATO government officials - NOT involved in the defense of Slobodan Milosevic at the ICDSM.


The ISSA is a totally independent private organization - NOT relying on funding from NATO governments George Soros, Rockefeller,Carnegie, Disney Corporation or AOL/Time Warner (as does the Hague ICTY and numerous NGO's like Institute for War & Peace Reporting, Human Rights Watch and the International Crisis Group among numerous others]. The ISSA is not run by Jews nor is it run by the late Milosevic's legal team.

ISSA had ben operating since 1972- initially under the name "Defense & Foreign Affairs Group" and its numerous publications are used by thousands of defense and foreign affairs/ strategic policy officials/executives and professionals in governments,defense academies,military/scientific research facilities,libraries and universities all over the world.

It is most famous for predicting the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq - several months before it occurred back in August 1990 [something that even the CIA,DIA,NSA and the entire NATO intelligence apparatus failed to do], it is also famous for predicting - back in the early 1970's - the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe bythe late 80's [again something US/NATO intelligence failed to do] and to top it off, predicted the disintegration and ultimate collapse of the USSR at the height of its strength and global power [back in the early 1970's they said that due to various demographic and economic factors the USSR would ultimately collapse by no later than the 90's.

At the time they made this astounding prediction, considering the USSR' vast global reach, strength and power,they were widely ridiculed. Subsequent events as we now all know, have proved them absultely correct.

Judge Clarke, Ronald Reagan's chief National Security adviser in the US National Security Council, had this to say about the ISSA's "Defense and Foreign Affairs Handbook" (its annual 1,500+ page encyclopedia containing defense,history,geographic,economic,political and intelligence data on every country in the world):

"It was absolutely indispensible to the running of the National Security Council".


See what the ISSA's reports of the Defense & Foreign Affairs Group - GIS: Global Intelligence Service - (the global intelligence division of the International Strategic Studies Association) had to say about the alleged events at Srebrenica which you curtly dismiss out of hand as "apologia" and "Serb propaganda":

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Defense & Foreign Affairs Special Analysis

Founded in 1972. Formerly Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily.

Volume XXIII, No. 62, Friday, June 17, 2005

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Special Report: Srebrenica and the Politics of War Crimes



Analysis. By George Bogdanich.

Ten years of reflection since the end of the war in Bosnia should have provided ample time to put that conflict into proper historical perspective. But judging from a recently proposed, but politically skewed, US Congressional resolution, such is not the case. The resolution in question singles out and seriously inflates reported abuses by Bosnian Serb forces following the capture of Srebrenica in 1995, and conveniently ignores equally brutal and even larger military operations directed against the ethnic Serb civilian population, both before and after Srebrenica, in the UN protected areas of Western Slavonia and the Krajina. These brutal, ethnic cleansing attacks were conducted by Croatian forces armed, trained and logistically supported by the US.

In the autumn of 1995, former Deputy NATO Commander Charles Boyd, noted in Foreign Affairs that

“more than 90 percent of the Serbs of Western Slavonia were ethnically cleansed when Croatian troops overran that UN protected area in May …This operation appears to differ from Serbian actions around the UN safe areas of Srebrenica and Zepa only in the degree of Western hand-wringing and CNN footage the latter have elicited. Ethnic cleansing evokes condemnation only when it is committed by Serbs, not against them.”

Operation Flash, which took place a more than a month before Srebrenica, was a straight out attack on the civilian population – men, women and children – of a UN Protected Area (UNPA), directly authorized by US President Bill Clinton. “Many Serbs perished in heavy Croatian tank, artillery and aerial bombardments on Monday and Tuesday as they tried to flee southward toward the Sava River bridge into Bosnia,” wrote Roger Cohen of The New York Times, adding “The estimate of 450 Serbian dead given by Gojko Susak, the Croatian Defense Minister appears to be conservative.” Very conservative. Officials of the Serbian Orthodox Church put the number of murdered civilians in the thousands.

“By acquiescing to the Croatian Government’s seizure of Western Slavonia,” European Union envoy Lord David Owen, observed, “the [US-dominated] Contact Group had in effect given the green light to Bosnian Serbs to attack Srebrenica and Zepa.” Under existing UN resolutions, an attack on a safe area could be used to justify NATO intervention. This was a policy that the US used selectively, denying requests (including at least one from the UNPROFOR Commander in Sarajevo) to punish Muslim or Croatian violations, but urging NATO bombing when Bosnian Serbs responded to provocations out of “safe zones” that had never been demilitarized. UN Gen. Francis Briquemont wrote in 1994:

“The Bosnian Army attacks the Serbs from a Safe Area, the Serbs retaliate, mainly on the confrontation line, and the Bosnian Presidency accuses UNPROFOR of not protecting the them against Serb aggression and appeals for air strikes against the Serb gun positions”

In his book, Balkan Odyssey, Lord Owen makes it clear that the establishment of “safe area” by the Security Council, without demilitarizing them was “the worst decision of my time as Co-Chairman [of the International Conference on Yugoslavia]”.

While extensive human rights abuses were documented on all sides throughout the conflict, it was the Muslim side, which used them best as a powerful weapon to gain sympathy from the international community. When Bosnian Foreign Minister Haris Silajdzic told a press conference in Sarajevo that “70,000 people” had been killed near Bihac in November of 1994, his demands for NATO air strikes received wide news coverage. UN investigators, however, later told BBC reporter John Simpson that “fewer than a thousand” people had been killed around Bihac, a battle which began when Muslim forces attacked the nearby Serb-held Grabez plateau, provoking a sustained counter-attack.

A recent video screened at the War Crimes Tribunal [International Criminal Tribunal on the former Yugoslavia: ICTY] purportedly showed the execution of six Muslims by Serbian paramilitaries in Treskavica, and was being used, illogically, as “proof” of highly inflated estimates that the Bosnian Serb Army killed 7,000 Muslims following the capture of Srebrenica in Eastern Bosnia. If the Bosnian Serbs executed six Muslims, the “logic” goes (and the authenticity of the film is yet to be established), then Bosnian Serbs clearly executed 7,000 Muslims in their attack on Srebrenica.2

Meanwhile, for the first three years of the war in Bosnia, Srebrenica was the stronghold of Muslim warlord Naser Oric, who showed home video tapes of massacres his soldiers carried out against Serbian villages to The Washington Post reporter, John Pomfret, and Toronto Star reporter Bill Schiller. Schiller writes that Oric was “as bloodthirsty a warrior who ever crossed a battlefield” and recounts a visit to the warlord’s home in January 1994:

On a cold and snowy night, I sat in his room, watching a shocking video version of what might have been called Naser Oric’s Greatest Hits. There were burning buildings severed heads and people fleeing. Oric grinned throughout, admiring his handiwork. We ambushed them,” he said. The next sequence of dead bodies had been done in by explosives. ‘We launched those guys to the moon,’ he boasted. When a bullet-marked ghost town appeared without any visible bodies, Oric hastened to announce ‘we killed 114 Serbs there’. Later there were celebrations, with singers with wobbly voices, chanting his praises.

According to former UNPROFOR Commander Gen. Phillip Morillon, Nasir Oric “appeared to be respecting political instructions coming from the Presidency in Sarajevo”, an observation which is confirmed by Gen. Sefer Halilovic, Commander of Muslim Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina. For several years early in the conflict, the Serbian population of Srebrenica and scores of nearby villages were ether killed or forced to flee because of Oric. On May 8, 1992, Oric’s forces assassinated Judge Goran Zekic President of the Serbian SDS Party in Srebrenica, triggering an exodus of 1,500 Serbs in Srebrenica. Scarcely a day went by without scorched earth attacks on nearby villages on towns and villages such as Bratunac, Sikirici, Konjevic Polje, Glogova, Zalazje, Fakovici, Loznica, Orlice, Biljaca, Crni Vhr, Milici, Kamenica, and Kravica. The massacre at Kravica, occurred on Orthodox Christmas Eve the Serbs’ most important holiday. Writing in the London based South Slav Journal, reporter Joan Phillips observed that by March 31, 1993, at least 1,200 Serbs had been killed and another 3,000 wounded by Oric’s forces. She added:

Today there are virtually no Serbs left in the entire Srebrenica municipality. Out of 9,300 Serbs who used to live there, less than 900 remain. Out of 11,500 Serbs who used to live in Bratunac municipality, more than 6,000 have fled. In the Srebrenica municipality, about 24 villages have been razed. The last major Serbian villages in the vicinity of Bratunac and Skelani were attacked and destroyed on January 7, 1993.

Why, then, despite massive and detailed evidence provided to the UN in 1993, did the Ad Hoc War Crimes Tribunal not indict Naser Oric until 2002, and even then, on relatively minor charges of “mistreating” prisoners. The systematic slaughter of the Serbian civilian population in the area west of the Drina River apparently did not qualify as a “crime against humanity”.

By contrast, the quick decision to charge Bosnian Serb leaders with “genocide” after the capture of Srebrenica reflected political correctness by the Tribunal, whose staff had been largely appointed by Madeleine Albright, then serving as US Ambassador to the UN. Meanwhile, a soon-to-be-released report by the Srebrenica Research Group, a group of journalists and academic researchers led by University of Pennsylvania Professor Ed Herman, raises serious doubts about the official version of events at Srebrenica, including bias, inflated casualty numbers, and dubious methodology used to justify estimates that were made before investigations had even begun.

Significantly, the portrayal of events at Srebrenica, is also challenged by senior UN and NATO officials on the scene in Bosnia. These include, as noted previously, NATO’s Deputy Commander Charles Boyd, who was NATO’s Director of Intelligence; Lt.-Col. John Sray; UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator Phillip Corwin; and Carlos Martins Branco, UNMO (UN Military Observer) Deputy Chief of Operations of the UNPF (United Nations Population Fund), who debriefed UN military observers posted to Srebrenica. Corwin, the most senior UN civilian official in Bosnia at the time of the capture of Srebrenica, and the author of Dubious Mandate, a personal account of the last year of the war, states that the official version of events at Srebrenica has been a “campaign of disinformation that has all but buried the facts along with the bodies”.

Branco, a Portugese UN military official states that casualty estimates of 7,000 have been “used and manipulated for propaganda purposes.” He wrote in 1998 that “there is little doubt that at least 2,000 Bosnian Muslims died in fighting the better trained and better commanded BSA [Bosnian Serb Army]” in three years of fierce fighting. This is roughly the number of bodies (2,028) which were exhumed by the International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) in the region by the year 2001. Many, perhaps most, of these deaths occurred before the fall of Srebrenica, according to Branco.

Preparing a Sacrifice

The question is why? Why did the Bosnian Government in Sarajevo withdraw 18 top officers of the 28th Division of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina, including its top officers, including Naser Oric and Zulfo Tursunovic, only a month before the fall of Srebrenica, supposedly for training exercises in Zenica? Why did the Muslim military command in Sarajevo order the remaining, nearly leaderless 28th division in Srebrenica to mount a meaningless attack on the strategically unimportant Serb village of Visnica just days before the Serbs captured Srebrenica? Was it to provoke a Serbian counter-response, as had occurred repeatedly in other safe areas?

In testimony at The Hague, Gen. Sefer Halilovic, commander of the Army of Bosnia-Herzegovina acknowledged that “there were a large number of orders for sabotage operations from the safe areas”. He also confirmed that 5,500 members of the 28th Division were based in Srebrenica, before its capture and that he had sent eight helicopter loads of ammunition to Srebrenica and Zepa, from Tuzla, in violation of the demilitarization agreement. (The US Government violated its own arms embargo by flying tons of military equipment including stinger missiles to Muslim forces through secret C-130 flights to Tuzla airport at night.) Significantly, Halilovic also acknowledged that Srebrenica, was captured by a small force of only 200 Serb soldiers (“chetniks”), supported by five tanks.

Yet Dutch military observers told The New York Times that the much larger Muslim force simply fled along with most military age males in the two days before the Serbs entered to take the nearly empty town on June 11, 1995. Women, children and elderly men, meanwhile, fled to nearby Potocari, where negotiations resulted in UN supervised safe passage for civilians to Muslim-held Tuzla, in buses provided by the Bosnian Serbs.

British military analyst Tim Ripley writes that prior to its capture, Dutch troops “saw Bosnian troops escaping from Srebrenica move past their observation points carrying brand new anti-tank weapons. This and other similar reports made many UN officers and international journalists suspicious.” Carlos Martins Branco writes that “Muslim forces did not even try to take advantage of their heavy artillery, under control of the United Nations (UN) forces at a time in which they had every reason to do so … Military resistance would jeopardize the image of ‘victim’, which had been so carefully constructed, and which the Muslims considered vital to maintain.”

Was Srebrenica sacrificed by the leadership in Sarajevo in order to draw in NATO intervention on behalf of the Muslim side? That is the opinion of Ibran Mustafic head of the ruling party (SDA) in Srebrenica as well as his antagonist, Hakija Meholic, who served as police chief under Naser Oric. Mustafic later told Slobodna Bosna that orders from Sarajevo to attack the Bosnian Serb army in early July 1995 were part of a deliberate strategy to promote Western intervention:

The scenario for the betrayal of Srebrenica was consciously prepared. Unfortunately, the Bosnian Presidency and the Army command were involved in this business…Had I received orders to attack the Serb army from the demilitarized zone, I would have rejected to carry out that order without thinking, and would have asked the person who had issued that order to bring his family to Srebrenica, so that I can give him a gun and let him stage attacks from the demilitarized zone. I knew that such shameful, calculated moves were leading my people to catastrophe. The order came from Sarajevo.

A UN report “The Fall of Srebrenica”, issued in 1999 by Secretary-General Kofi Annan denied that a US sponsored deal had been struck to exchange Srebrenica and other eastern Bosnia enclaves for Serb held Vogosca near Sarajevo. In fact, however, this exchange became a key goal of US policy as early as 1993, according to Branco:

[then US Ambassador to the UN] Madeleine Albright suggested this exchange on numerous occasions to [Bosnian President Alija] Izetbegovic, based on proposals of the Contact Group. The truth is that both the Americans and President Izetbegovic had tacitly agreed that it make no sense to insist on maintaining these isolated enclaves in a divided Bosnia. ... In 1995, the month before military operations in Srebrenica, Alexander Vershbow, Special Assistant to President Clinton stated that ‘American should encourage the Bosnians to think in terms of territories with greater coherence and compactness.

The problem for Alija Izetbegovic was that he felt he could not publicly acknowledge these discussions or he would lose the hardline support which had brought him to power.

In an interview with the Bosnian Muslim publication Dani, Hakija Meholic, the police chief of Srebrenica, recalled that at the Bosniak conference in Sarajevo in September 1993, Izetbegovic claimed to have discussed various scenarios for Srebrenica with President Clinton. According to Meholic, an ally of Naser Oric:

We were received there by President Izetbegovic, and immediately after the welcome he asked us: "What do you think about the swap of Srebrenica for Vogosca?” There was a silence for a while and then I said: "Mr President, if this is a done thing, then you should not have invited us here, because we have to return and face the people and personally accept the burden of that decision." Then he said: "You know, I was offered by [US Pres. William] Clinton in April 1993 that the Chetnik [derisory term used for Serbs] forces enter Srebrenica, carry out a slaughter of 5,000 Muslims, and then there will be a military intervention."

Meholic also recounted this incident for a Dutch documentary. Pres. Izetbegovic was later questioned about the incident by UN investigators and denied he made the statement regarding his discussion with Pres. Clinton. While there is no way to confirm that President Clinton actually made such a proposal to Izetbegovic, however hypothetical, there were at least eight surviving witnesses to confirm what Izetbegovic told the Srebrenica delegation. Nor would it have been out of character for Izetbegovic to approve a plan which would sacrifice lives of his citizens for the cause, or to inflate the number of casualties for propaganda purposes.

Shortly before his death in 2003, Izetbegovic confessed to Bernard Kouchner, of the Physicians Without Borders humanitarian organization and former US envoy Richard Holbrooke, that during the war he had falsely accused the Serbs of running “extermination camps”, according to a recent book by Kouchner. During the Bosnian war, all sides — Muslim, Croat and Serb — ran POW camps which were visited and criticized by the International Committee of the Red Cross. “There were no extermination camps, whatever the horror of those places,” Izetbegovic acknowledged to Kouchner and Holbrooke. “I thought my revelations would precipitate bombing [against Serbs].”

“Holocaust comparisons evoke powerful feelings and images, but in this case exist only in the fertile imaginations of media sound bite writers,” wrote US military analyst Lt.-Col. John Sray. “Popular perceptions pertaining to the Bosnian Muslim Government (Bosniaks as they prefer to be called) have been forged by a prolific propaganda machine … which includes public relations (PR) firms in the employ of the Bosniaks, media pundits and sympathetic elements of the US State Department.” By the summer of 1995 “the advocacy rhetoric regarding the Bosnian Muslim government in Sarajevo finally grew sufficiently deafening enough to dupe NATO into prosecuting the civil war against the Bosnian Serbs”.

On July 9, 1995, two days before the Bosnian Serbs captured the city, Pres. Izetbegovic called on Pres. Clinton to prevent “terrorism and genocide” at Srebrenica. On July 24, 1995, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Henry Wieland, whose team had spent five days interviewing scores of refugees among 20,000 Srebrenica survivors gathered at the Tuzla airport, told the London newspaper, The Daily Telegraph: “We have not found anyone who saw with their own eyes an atrocity taking place.”

Indict Now, Investigate Later

Just three days later, however, indictments of Bosnian Serb Gen. Ratko Mladic and Bosnian Serb Pres. Karadzic for genocide were announced by the War Crimes Tribunal, whose Chief Judge, Antonio Cassesse, of the Tribunal, casting any pretence of objectivity aside, called them “a great political result … The indictment means that these gentlemen [Mladic and Karadzic] will not be able to take part in peace negotiations.” The Boston Globe reported the same day: “The Clinton Administration has not obtained independent confirmation of atrocities [at Srebrenica], but does not doubt that they have occurred ... ‘The bottom line is these guys have been indicted as war criminals,’ said a State Department spokesman.”

“I realized that the War Crimes Tribunal was a very valuable tool,” Richard Holbrooke told the BBC. “We used it to keep the two most wanted war criminals in Europe out of the Dayton process and we used it to justify everything that followed.” What followed, was Operation Deliberate Force, a US-led NATO bombing campaign which had clearly been planned well in advance against Bosnian Serb targets in Vogosca and near Gorazde. “We have become the Muslim Air Force,” a US officer told former New York Times reporter David Binder. Less than a week later, Operation Storm was launched, when US-backed Croatian forces, attacked on all fronts against the Serbian civilian population of the Krajina region, driving 200,000 ethnic Serbs from their homes and then methodically killing the mostly elderly population who were unable to flee.

Operation Storm was, by all accounts, the largest ethnic cleansing operation to date in the former Yugoslavia. In violation of UN Security Council resolutions, but with strong US support and planning, the Croatian Army then entered into Bosnia and launched a joint ethnic cleansing operation with Muslim forces against Serb inhabited territories in western Bosnia which displaced another 100,000 ethnic Serb civilians. In To End a War, Richard Holbrooke’s self-serving account of this period, the former US envoy boasts that he even advised Croat Muslim forces on specific Serbian towns to attack in Western Bosnia.

Was there “Genocide” at Srebrenica?

Unlike US-supported attacks by Croatian troops on Serb-inhabited UN Protected Zones (Western Slavonia and the Krajina), the Bosnian Serb Army’s capture of Srebrenica was a predictable response to military provocations. Unlike the Croatian operations Flash and Storm, the Bosnian Serbs helped arrange a massive safe passage operation to Tuzla for thousands of Srebrenica residents who chose to leave from nearby Potocari where the buses were deployed. By the first week of August 1995, 35,632 people had registered with the World Health Organization and Bosnian Government as displaced persons, survivors of Srebrenica. If the goal of the Serbs had been genocide, or even an act of genocide, there would have been no safe passage for the civilian population. According to Carlos Martins Branco, “if there had been a premeditated plan of genocide, instead of attacking in only one direction, from the south to the north – which left the possibility of escape to the north, the Serbs would have established a siege in order to ensure that no-one escaped.”

The premise that Serbian forces executed 7,000 to 8,000 people “was never a possibility,” according to former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper, who has investigated the events that followed the capture of Srebrenica on site and through official records over many years, and whose findings are presented in the upcoming report of the Srebrenica Research Group. He points out that numerous contemporary accounts noted that UN and other independent observers had witnessed fierce battles as the Muslim 28th Division and military age men accompanied them.

The official numbers provided also preclude the possibility of such a large number of executions. In addition to the 35,632 registered survivors, the International Committee of the Red Cross observed that “several thousand men,” (at least 3,000) who fled from Srebrenica with the 28th Division had survived the harrowing journey across Serb held territory and were redeployed to fight elsewhere “without their families being informed.” Dutch military observers and British SAS intelligence officers in Srebrenica witnessed a bitter battle between Muslim factions, before the Serbs entered the town. These observers say that the clash between Muslim men who wanted to stay and defend the town and those who followed orders to evacuate, left about 100 were killed and their bodies were left where they had fallen. Some 700 Muslim soldiers from Srebrenica made their way to Zepa, emerging safely when that town fell to the Serbs during the last week of July 1995.

“Taking all these factors together, in order for 7,300 people from Srebrenica to have been massacred, the population of the safe area before it fell to the Serbs, would have had to be well over 46,000 – a figure far in excess of any credible figure put forward at the time,” Rooper reports. Patricia Wald, one of the Tribunal Judges who convicted Bosnian Serb Gen. Radislav Krstic of crimes at Srebrenica, wrote an article on the case for Georgetown Journal of Legal Ethics in 2003 where she states that “prior to the attack, Srebrenica was a village of some 37,000 inhabitants”.

“Judge Wald was apparently supremely unaware that her own figure made it impossible for the crimes for which Krstic was convicted to have taken place,” Rooper states. According to Michael Mandel, Professor of International law at York University in Toronto

The Tribunal’s claim genocide occurred at Srebrenica was not supported by the facts it found or by the law it cited. Even the trial chamber’s conclusion that ‘Bosnian Serb forces executed several thousand Bosnian Muslim men [with the] total number of victims … likely to be within the range of 7,000 to 8,000 was not supported by its specific findings.

Mandel notes that Tribunal only ‘suggested’, rather than proved, that the majority of (2,028) bodies actually exhumed by the ICTY had been killed in executions rather than in the many battle reported between Bosnian Serb forces and the Muslim 28th Division column retreating toward Tuzla after the capture of Srebrenica. Internationally respected military forensic specialist Dr Zoran Stankovic, who reviewed the findings of the six experts employed by the Tribunal wrote that the effort lacked standard procedures, several of experts also lacked familiarity with wounds inflicted by military ordinance and some parts of the reports are “contrary to the generally acceptable forensic standards”.

According to Dr Stankovic, many of the bodies exhumed from 17 gravesites were found in an advance state of decay “skeletonized, disarticulated and decomposed” lacking soft tissue and body parts that could help determine the cause of death. “Ascertainment of the cause of death in the cases of decomposed bodies is generally extremely difficult and in most cases impossible…It is not allowed that [ICTY] experts provide their opinion in that regard and put forward the assumption having no grounds in autopsy findings.”

Some executions did take place at the hands of paramilitaries and a mercenary group led by Drazen Erdemovic, who was arrested in Novi Sad, Serbia, and turned over to The Hague in 1996. Between 200 and 300 blindfolds and ligatures were exhumed with bodies by the ICTY, and as Dr. Stankovic notes, these are sure signs of execution. “It is a crime, whether it is 300 or 30 or three persons killed in this way, but using a false number such as 7,000 and calling it “genocide” indicates that Srebrenica is still being used 10 years later as a political issue,” says Phillip Corwin, the former UN Civilian Affairs Coordinator in Bosnia when Srebrenica was captured.

False Witnesses, Unreliable Testimonies

But other reports of massacres came from a handful of individuals close to Naser Oric, including his cousin, Mevludin Oric, whose claims to being eyewitnesses to such events, were repeatedly undermined by contradictory accounts given to different reporters. One witness, Smail Hodzic, told Alexandra Stiglmayer of Die Woche that he had been captured and taken to “a basketball stadium near Bratuanac” and taken to “a large field not far from a forest”. Hodzic, however told another reporter Roy Gutman, that he had been held in a soccer stadium in Nova Kasaba, but then, he and others were moved to be killed, “probably in a town called Grbavce”. In a third interview with Aida Cerkez of the Associated Press, Hodzic now claimed that he went through the same experience as Mevludin Oric, this time being held in “a school in Krizevci”, before being taken for execution not far from Karakaj.

Several of these alleged eyewitnesses told reporter Louise Branson of The Sunday Times and Robert Block of The Independent contradictory stories, that thousands were executed, either at a school in one version, or at a nearby sports complex. Human Rights Watch, which acknowledged it had not been able to trace survivors of such crimes, called for “more detailed investigations.” However, Dutch UN officer Captain Shouten, who was the only UN officer in Bratunac during the period when this bloodbath was alleged, told the Dutch newspaper Het Parool on July 27

"Everybody is parroting everybody, but nobody shows hard evidence. I notice that in the Netherlands people want to prove at all costs that genocide has been committed. ... If executions have taken place, the Serbs have been hiding it damn well. Thus, I don’t believe any of it. The day after the collapse of Srebrenica, July 13, I arrived in Bratunac and stayed there for eight days. I was able to go wherever I wanted to. I was granted all possible assistance; nowhere was I stopped”

The trial of General Radislav Krstic, demonstrated, that faced with years of prison, Serbs were equally capable as their Muslim counterparts of providing false testimony used to prop up the official version of events at Srebrenica. During the trial, a Serbian military officer named Momir Nikolic claimed that he had supervised the massacre of more than a thousand Bosnian Muslims at a warehouse in Kravica, but under cross examination, by defense lawyer Michael Karnavas, Nikolic admitted that he not only didn't give the order; he wasn't even present.

"You needed to give him [the prosecutor] something he did not have, right?" said defense attorney Michael Karnavas. "You wanted to limit your time of imprisonment to 20 years, that was part of the arrangement, yes? Quid pro quo?"

"I did not tell the truth when I said that,” Nikolic admitted. “I lied.”

The key witness used by the Tribunal to support the contention that Bosnian Serb leaders ordered executions at Srebrenica, was Drazen Erdemovic, leader of a mercenary group who was arrested in Serbia in 1996 after he was injured in a drunken shooting incident involving another member of his group. For myriad reasons, it would be hard to find a less reliable witness than Erdemovic, an ethnic Croat from Tuzla, who claims to have fought previously at various times for the Army of Bosnia Hercegovina and the Bosnian Croat HVO.

Erdemovic claims that his group of eight was ordered to execute Muslims at Branjevo military farm near Pilica by a Lt.-Colonel, but this officer is never identified. Erdemovic states that members of his group had been paid 12 kilos of gold, but was not able to remember who provided the funds. Anxious to use his testimony, but unwilling to expose him to cross examination, the Tribunal concluded on June 27 that Erdemovic’s mental condition did not permit his standing trial.

Yet, based on a plea bargain with prosecutors, Erdemovic was allowed to participate in the farcical Rule 61 hearings later that year against Bosnian Serb leaders Karadzic and Mladic, a trial-by-media procedure which allowed uncorroborated testimony to be provided without cross examination. Legal experts were scathing about the procedure. The BBC called it a “circus,” but Chief Judge Cassesse, said “I am relying on the pressure of public opinion” to justify indictments against Serbian leaders.

Erdemovic who, like Nikolic, had admitted to terrible crimes, received a very light sentence of five years and was not required to serve out even the full term because of the “significant cooperation that has been provided to the Office of the Prosecutor”. None of the prosecutors office apparently wished to ask, why, if they had any interest in carrying out summary executions, would the Serb High Command entrust such a mission to a mentally unstable Bosnian Croat, who had fought previously with Muslim forces and the Croatian HVO? Eventually, Erdemovic’s former partners-in-crime were reported serving as mercenaries in the Congo on behalf of French intelligence.

“Few outside Serbdom would object to Karadzic and Mladic being put on trial,” observed former UN Assistant Secretary-General Cedric Thornberry in the Summer of 1996 in Foreign Policy. “But is it likely, given their near universal demonization and the high places from which they have been denounced and condemned, that they could receive a fair trial?” Thornberry asserted that Judge Cassesse and others on the Tribunal had “stretched their judicial role,” by calling for political action. “Crusading and judging are two different (and incompatible) occupations,” he noted and warned that “the court could leave a poisoned legacy.” Columnist George Szamuely, also with the Srebrenica Research Group, writes that the ICTY

“is a kind of Nuremburg in reverse. The principle that was supposed to have been enshrined by the post World War II war crimes trials – that carrying out the orders of superiors is no defense – has been turned on its head. The ICTY declares that lowly soldiers that committed war crimes were really not responsible for their acts, because they were only carrying out orders of their superiors. And what is the evidence that they were carrying out orders? Well it stands to reason that they wouldn’t have done what they did, had they not been ordered to do so.

When the 1968 My Lai massacre was revealed during the Vietnam War, convictions at the never reached higher than Lt. William Calley and Capt. Ernest Medina (although there were courts martial held at Ft. Meade in 1970-71 for everyone up to the division commander). No one of higher rank than Specialist Charles Graner Jr. and Pfc. Lynndie England has been charged in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal. Yet, because the US, and a US-dominated NATO eventually took sides in the Bosnian civil war, not only were the scope of crimes greatly inflated, but responsibility for these abuses was placed on Serb leaders, without evidence they had ordered or approved of them.

The failure to condemn and prosecute a similar military operation by Croatian forces in Western Slavonia that preceded the capture of Srebrenica, and a much larger “scorched earth” operation driving out 200,000 Serbs out of the Krajina, shows a marked discrepancy in comparative moral standards. The ICTY moved haltingly and reluctantly moved prosecute mid-level Croatian military officials involved in Operations Storm and Flash, but because of US support for these war crimes, indictments did not reach any higher, nor was there serious consideration of prosecuting Americans involved in the operation. The Pentagon has refused to turn over satellite photos. But a recent article in Croatian Nacional Magazine, by Ivo Pukanic, asserts that US Pres. Clinton was personally involved in military arrangements for these attacks on civilians in UN Protected Areas.

The United States not only monitored the complete Operation Storm, but they also actively participated with the Croatian Military in its preparation, and in the end directly initiated the operation. The green light from the White House and then-President Clinton for Operation Storm was passed on by Colonel Richard C. Herrick, then US military attaché in Zagreb.

Senior UN official Cedric Thornberry holds no particular brief for the Serbs, whom he accuses of shelling him out of several different residences in Sarajevo, but he expressed dismay at the bias, which impeded a solution to the war in Bosnia. “By early 1993, a consensus developed –- especially in the United States, but also in some West European countries and prominently in parts of the international liberal media — that the Serbs were the only villains, all through Yugoslavia, and that the victims were overwhelmingly or even exclusively the Croats and Muslims. This view did not correspond to the perceptions of successive senior UN personnel in touch with daily events throughout the area; as a kindly soul at the UN headquarters in New York, ear to the diplomatic grapevine, warned me, take cover – the fix is on.” Whether the US Congressional Resolution on Srebrenica passes in its present form, without mentioning or condemning well-documented and comparable abuses by Muslims and Croats, should indicate if the “fix” is still on.


Footnotes:

1. George Bogdanich is part of the Srebrenica Research Group which is led by author Ed Herman of the University of Pennsylvania; Herman is co-editor with Phil Hammond of a series of essays called Degraded Capability: The Media and Kosovo Crisis. Others in the group include former BBC Journalist Jonathan Rooper, former New York Press columnist George Szamuely, Diana Johnstone, author of Fool's Crusade: Yugoslavia NATO and Western Delusions, international law professor Michael Mandel of York University in Toronto, author Phil Hammond, researchers David Peterson of the US, Tim Fenton of London, George Pumphrey of Germany, Dr Milan Bulajic, former Director of the Museum Genocide and Belgrade Professor Vera Vratusa. Mr Bogdanich has also written about the Balkans for various publications including The Chicago Tribune. He was co-producer of Yugoslavia The Avoidable War, with German television reporter Martin Lettmayer.



2. Editor's Note: Not only is the logic faulty, the motivation behind showing the video at the ICTY was clearly questionable. While showing the highly-inflammatory and graphic imagery in that video, the ICTY refused earlier to show video footage of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnian [Muslim] Government army showing heaps of mutilated bodies, torched villages and the beheading of a Serb soldier, Ensign Rade Rogic. The ICTY said that the footage was too brutal to show. As a result of the showing of the video highlighting alleged Bosnian Serb atrocities — which resulted in the arrest of at least 12 of the Serbs in the unit involved — the Belgrade newspaper, Vecernje Novosti published a picture a week later, on June 15, 2005, showing the beheading of Ensign Rogic from Sanski Most.

http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm
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I suggest you examine the ISSA, GIS, Defense & Foregn Affairs Group's following reports:


http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1703.htm

http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm



[Type in "Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily" or "GIS" and "International Strategic Studies Association" into Google or visit:
http://www.strategicstudies.org [click on the Balkans
sub-section] or go to the following link:

http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Balkanindex.htm
 
Neil,


"Anonymous" should be working for The Hague ICTY or the Izetbegovic faction's PR firm Ruder Finn or the Croatian HDZ goevrnment's firm, Waterman Associates - he cant get his facts straight and DENIES IRREFUTABLE UN supplied evidence he doesn't like!!

Can this guy ADD [as in mathematics: "the sum of"?] 35,632 +5,000 troops the Izetbegovic Islamists actually ADMITTED made it safely to Tuzla, plus 8,000 supposedly "executed" = 48,632 people. The July 1995 population [i.e BEFORE the enclave "fell" to the Bosnian Serbs] was 40,000 according to the United Nations OWN figures!!

Nobody, not even the Izetbegovic Islamists or their supporters like Mr./Ms. Anonymous, can seriously now claim with a straight face that Srebrenica had a July 1995 population figure of 48,632 people before it fell! Even the notoriously anti-Serbian,anti-Yugoslav NATO-owned Hague ICTY claimed that Srebrenica had a population figure actually even LOWER than the 40,000 cited by the UN [they claim only 37,000!!]

Since there were 35,632 civilian survivors registered by the UN AFTER the enclave fell, +5,000 troops admitted by the Izetbegovic faction to have made it safely through Izetbegovic's muslim lines to Tuzla, then if we add 8,000 to that we get 48,632. This is way,way over the accepted population figures of both the Hague ICTY of 37,000 people or the UN's own figure of 40,000 people.

There is no way in hell - even according to the UN's and the NATO owned ICTY's own figures that the population of Srebrenica was 48,632 people in July 1995 prior to its fall to the Bosnian Serb VRS army . If Anonymous can't count, he should go back to elementary school [what you guys call primary school].

See the documented evidence cited in the International Strategic Studies Association's report "Defense & Foreign Affairs Special Analysis"
Volume XXIII, No. 62,Friday, June 17, 2005

Available at the following URL link

http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm


Cheers,


Peter.
 
‘Objectivity is not the same as refusal to draw conclusions.’ No it is not, but neither is it what you imply.

‘The Emperor’s Clothes’ has a distinct bias, it is not objective. I am pasting in a definition from The New Oxford Thesaurus of English (regrettably from a CD ROM, not online):

‘objectivity; noun; the ideals of journalistic accuracy and objectivity; IMPARTIALITY, absence of bias/prejudice, fairness, fair-mindedness, equitableness, equitability, even-handedness, justness, justice, open-mindedness, disinterest, disinterestedness, detachment, dispassion, dispassionateness, neutrality.
-opposite(s): SUBJECTIVITY, BIAS, PREJUDICE.’

I suggest that even the editorial team of ‘The Emperor’s Clothes’ do not consider themselves objective or disinterested. They are committed to a view and are practicing advocacy journalism ‘…in which the writer or the publication expresses a subjective view or promotes a certain cause’ [Answers.com/Reference]. See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism

The ‘Emperor’s Clothes team feel no obligation to put the other point of view at all and refer to other opinions only to rubbish them. If you think the site is objective then you do not understand the nature of your source. By all means quote the site but do not claim it is objective.

As for the rest of your post, you assert I have produced no evidence on a variety of issues when I quite clearly have done so. Again, let your readers decide whose arguments are soundest.
 
Once again you produce no evidence of any point on which Emperors Clothes have said things which were not true or suppressed things which are. Again your post amounts to unjustified (unjustifiable?) insults.

I challenge you to find one single instance where either EC or I have said something which is untrue or have reported anything which the BBC or any other major mainstream media have reported in a more objective manner or else apologise.
 
I think you have missed my point. We also appear to be at cross purposes. You want a detailed rebuttal of material presented in the ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ and other sites. I am surfing, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary.

The web is full of information, much of it garbage. In politics a large number of sites are not what they appear, being the creations of PR organisations trying to masquerade as grassroots movements. It is thus sensible to use well-established methods to judge the validity of a source. With regard to the net, my personal practice is to look for adequate footnotes which allow the checking of any primary source material and to check for any information on the author.

The previous postings by Peter North can be used to explore this. In his first posting Mr North insists at length on the authenticity and balance of his sources, particularly the ‘prestigious’ International Strategic Studies Association (ISSA). Much of the meat of his argument is contained in a cut and paste of an article from the ISSA Special Report: Srebrenica and the politics of War Crimes by George Bogdanich. The original is at http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm. The article quotes a large number of unfamiliar names as the source for evidence and argument supporting a pro-Serb position. The article has only two footnotes, only one of which indicates a source. As it stands I have very little chance of checking out the factual basis of this article. I have to accept it or reject it whole.

A Google search reveals that Mr Bogdanich is a director of documentaries. His (apparently) only exhibited film is Yugoslavia: the Avoidable War. A film review at http://www.offoffoff.com/film/2002/yugoslavia.php3 yields the interesting information that ‘George Bogdanich, identified innocuously on the film's web site as ‘an independent documentary producer, reporter, freelance journalist and editor’. But in addition, an Internet search shows that Bogdanich has spent years as a Serbian-American activist with groups identified variously as SerbNet and the Serbian American Media Center. Bogdanich raised money for the film from the Serbian-American community… There is nothing wrong with being a pro-Serbian activist, but you don't then release a three-hour propaganda film, pretending it's objective and factual, and fail to disclose your partisan background. Especially in this day and age when it's so easy to find out’. The review then goes on to say ‘"Yugoslavia: The Avoidable War" is interesting for all the wrong reasons. Promoted as an expose of how Western countries mishandled the Yugoslavia wars of the 1990s, it's really something totally different — a whiny, dishonest, sometimes outright racist, nearly three-hour excuse-a-thon on behalf of Serbian murderers. And the more you look into this horrid little propaganda film, the more you discover its fascinating connections not only to the Serbs themselves but also to a network of American right-wing extremists.’ The site seems a genuine New York entertainment site, so some doubt is cast on Mr Bogdanich’s objectivity. It also raises some doubt about the International Strategic Studies Association. Right enough, when you go to their site it appears that the ISSA specialises in pro-Serb, anti Islamic scare stories. I do not know who thinks this merits the ‘prestigious’ tag but I smell garbage. I can now safely dismiss Mr North’s posting as containing no worthwhile information.

In a previous posting in this thread you acknowledge that I appear to know something about what I’m talking about. I do. I have read enough to be able to judge the Wikipedia article on the ‘Srebrenica Massacre’ as being a reasonably balanced account of the matter. I do not have to argue my point in detail because I have adopted the article as my own argument. Similarly, using the technique above, I do not feel the need for a detailed rebuttal of ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ and ‘Living Marxism’ positions because they are so clearly biased.

Just for you, however, I have checked the ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ articles on the ‘supposed Bosnian Serb death camp’ at http://emperors-clothes.com/villainy.htm and the LM libel trial http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/missing.htm. Far from being ‘meticulously researched’, they actually contain very little that can be called fact. Both articles are an extended series of suppositions which seek to undermine but do not rebut the ITN evidence. Mr Israel appears to have sat on his butt in his office and written fiction. The Guardian version can be checked at http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,181985,00.html and http://www.guardian.co.uk/itn/article/0,,184816,00.html. These articles at least have the virtues of giving you some perspective on the trial, an account of the evidential basis of the verdict and the reason why pro-Serb sources would seek to discredit the ITN/Guardian account. For my money ‘Living Marxism’ and ‘Emperor’s Clothes’ deliberately set out to deceive and their allegations can be set aside.
 
You are treating your inability to provide any factual basis to your insults as if it were a good thing - it isn't.

You are also practicing double standards. If Mr Bogdanovich's movie is intrinsicly biased because he is part Serbian where is your attack on years of BBC reporting on the grounds that they are wholly British (not to say state funded)? More seriously, you then use the Guardian, probably the single newspaper most supportive of the Croatian & Bosnian Moslem Nazis, & in particular Ed Vulliamy as an example of impartial reporting on the (allegedly accidental) faking of ITN's video. Since Mr Vulliamy was part of the team that created the video his "objectivity" is clearly limited.

You may be interested to know that that same article was the subject of a complaint to the Press Council by me on a number of grounds the most serious being that Mr Vulliamy's statement that everybody who did not approve of the Izetbegovic regime was guilty of a "strand of anti-semitism". Since Izetbegovic was known (by UK journalists tho' the public was kept ignorant) to have been an SS auxiliary who had been cleansing Sarajevo of most of its Jews this was clearly a lie, insulting to anti-Nazis & Jewsc alike.

The Press Commission did not dispute that the Guardian was lying but decided that it had nonetheless been able to "maintain the highest standards of the British Press", so obviously it had.

Once again I must ask you to produce some facts not insults.
 
"I am surfing, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary."
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Sir/Madam,

Wait a minute! YOU, along with the Guardian,ITN and BBC are the one making the ASSERTION that "8,000 Bosnian muslim men and boys were lined up and shot"

The burden of proof rests on the person making the charge to actually prove it with EVIDENCE - which you, the Guardian, ITN & the BBC have utterly FAILED to do.

Sir/Madam, not only are you clearly anti-Serbian but you also deliberately ignore the massive amounts of evidence that Izetbegovic's people were shameless Nazis allied with al Qaeda - so not only are you anti-Serbian in your bias, but you are -ipso facto - pro-Islamist al Qaeda Nazi as well [since you DENY the overwhelming evidence that Izetbegovic was a Nazi].

Oh and by the way, there are many OTHER independent research groups apart from Emperor's Clothes that have disclosed these facts about the late Izetbegovic's SDA party pro-Nazi al Qaeda links, such as the Center for Research on Globalization,Historical & Investigative Research,Antiwar,Senate Republican Policy Committee, Congessional Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare among many others.
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

I just can't wait to hear your next reply on this one, Mr./Ms. Anonymous. Here, let me save you the time and trouble of possibly getting RSI from your keyboard by doing it for you:

"I have looked at your URL links, Mr. North. Historical & Investigative Research AND the Center for Research on Globalization, AND the US Senate Republican Policy Committee AND the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare that you cite Mr. North, are all full of pro-Serb, Islamophobic RUBBISH as I just ran a search on Google and hey presto, you know what I found?! Joshua Tanzer of OFFOFFOFF says that every single one of the organizations you cite are far from being prestigious or reliable, as Mr. Tanzer showed to my satisfaction that they are all run by pro-Serb-Communist-Stalinist-Bolshevik-Nazi-Right Wing Fanatic-Anarchist-Racist-Freemason-Ku Klux Klan Jewish-parrot molesting & poodle raping,seal clubbing extremists!

"What you want proof for the above, Mr. North? Sorry, but I'm not PAID to fact check sites, I am just merely SURFING, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary."


Since your precious Guardian newspaper, ITN & the BBC failed to tell the British public that Osama bin Laden was a close confidant of Alija Izetbegovic, you actually use the very same technique used by the radical Islamist Fascist SDA party and Croat HDZ Ustasha Nazis via their handsomely paid PR firms, Ruder Finn & Waterman Associates.

For example, when confronted with irrefutable facts and rigorously documented evidence you cannot rebut, you proceed to do PRECISELY what you accuse Emperor's Clothes of being guilty of: "rubbishing" the oppposing point of view by attacking the character of those making it rather than the evidence they cite. Funny about that,huh?

That is, you do not attempt to refute or otherwise dispute the facts cited but use the specious argument that anyone who disagrees with ITN and the Guardian is spreading "rubbish".

You always invariably cannot refute ANY piece of documented evidence at all - instead of providing counter evidence and arguments based on facts not emotion, you rather attempt to attack the character [and thereby the credibility of] the source where the documented evidence is cited/published!!

You do this in the most dishonorable way of ad hominem personal insults, smear tactics and attempted character assassination just like Joshua Tanzer does with his outrageous smear campaign of Mr. Bogdanich on Mr. Tanzer's web page "offoffoff" [more like "offoffoff the planet"].

If you had even BOTHERED to read some of the rebuttals underneath, you would clearly see how dishonest and abhorrent this strategy of insulting your opponents by attacking their credibility through attempted character assassination really is.

Mr. Joshua Tanzer makes absolutely NO attempt whatsoever to produce/cite even ONE FACT, one UN document or even one statement from even a single UN officer,Western intelligence or military official,or even ONE independent non-Soros non-NATO government funded research group or independent investigative journalist, etc. to support his smear campaign against Mr. Bogdanich.

Instead of Mr. Tanzer doing the HONORABLE thing, by producing evidence that actually PROVES Mr. Bogdanich is actually "biased", "pro-Serb" etc., because he LIED or otherwise covered up a fact injurious to the Serbian side, the best that Mr. Tanzer can do is use the very same dishonorable tactic you use: to ridicule & insult all these independent research groups and individuals who have brought these unpalatable, politically incorrect facts and evidence forward to the global public as mere "crackpots" "racists" and "extremists".For "evidence" of this, Mr. Tanzer tells us that Mr. Bogdanich is a Serb. Serbophobic circular "Pretzel Logic" in action! (i.e ALL Serbs are GUILTY until proven innocent, so don't trust them, but hey, you can trust 100% what the HDZ Ustasha Croats, KLA Albanians and Izetbegovic SDA Bosnian muslims say!)

What astonishing anti-Serbian racism,bias and prejudice covering itself with the cloak of "neutrality" & "impartiality" - just as Wikipedia does with its pro-Nazi articles on the Balkans conflicts -as the verbatim copy of the HDZ government press release on Franjo Tudjman conclusively proves.

Mr. Joshua Tanzer even has the gall in his thinly veiled innuendo/implication fashion, to insult renowned intelligence expert Gregory Copley, and the prestigious Washington DC based ISSA on the same basis merely because the ISSA supports Mr. Bogdanich's position that there is NO EVIDENCE for the Islamist Izetbegovic's version of events concerning Srebrenica.


To call the ISSA organization "crackpot" or "extremist" because it doesn't support the Izetbegovic/Clinton administration/media version of events WITHOUT producing a SHRED of actual evidence to prove the claim made that "8,000 Bosnian muslims were lined up and shot" ranks as one of the most dishonorable and pathetic ad hominem, personal attacks of the old "are you STILL beating your wife?" character assassination type: i.e., a despicable, abusive disparaging "mud slinging" smear, with no basis in fact whatsoever.

If you had actually bothered to read my last post on the history of the ISSA/Defense & Foreign Affairs Group since 1972 there is no way in hell any HONEST person could describe this organization as "crackpot", "Islamophobic" or "extremist". To refer to it as such shows a profound dishonesty and ignorance of the prestige of the organization and its numerous achievements in the field of geopolitics,global grand strategy,strategic policy and intelligence -where its numerous publications are utilized by tens of thousands of defense and foreign affairs/strategic policy officials/executives and professionals in governments,defense academies,military/scientific research facilities,libraries and universities all over the world.
As I already pointed out the ISSA/Defense & Foreign affairs group has made some astounding contributions in the field of intelligence and security by accurately predicting the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq months before it occurred [something the CIA,NSA,DIA,Pentagon and NATO intelligence spectacularly failed to do] as well as accurately predicting in the early 70's the collapse of communism in Eestern Europe and the disntegration & ultimate collapse of the USSR at the height of its global reach,economic strength and military power. The ISSA/Defense & Foreign Affairs Group co-founder, Stefan Possony, was the West's supreme grand strategist with his proposal for a strategic space based weapons program to thwart a pre-emptive nuclear first strike by the USSR. It came to be known as SDI - the Strategic Defense Initiative (commonly known as "Star Wars") and it was SDI that ultimately proved to be final the straw that broke the USSR's back in the arms race and combined with the CIA initiated Afghanistan war,led to the USSR's ultimate collapse.

Ronald Reagan's chief National Security Adviser, Judge Clark called the ISSA/Defense & Foreign Affairs annual "Handbook" (its annual 1,500+ page encyclopedia containing defense,history,geographic,economic,political and intelligence data on every country in the world):

"It was absolutely indispensible to the running of the National Security Council".


To call an organization such as this "crackpot" or "extremist" says a hell of a lot more about the credibility and honesty of Mr. Tanzer than the ISSA and its director, Gregory Copley - and since you are in obvious agreement with Mr. Tanzer, it also says a lot about you as well.


Anyone reading the ISSA article re-posted at http://www.srebrenica-report.com/defense.htm can clearly see that the ISSA actually NAME their sources, whereas the Guardian,the BBC, ITN et al NEVER do, something which you conveniently failed to mention.

If the specious "they are all crackpots and extremists" ad hominem, mud-slinging, character assassination "are you still beating your wife?" type strategy (of the kind you and Mr. Joshua Tanzer appear to excel at) of throwing disparaging, abusive remarks at people who you disagree with instead of producing EVIDENCE to bolster your charges of "pro-Serb bias"; if indeed this strategy of yours and Mr. Tanzer's ISN'T a demonstration of a pathetic COP OUT and blatant anti-Serbian BIAS, then Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are not both proven liars.

In defense of your total inability to actually PRODUCE EVIDENCE that Emperor's Clothes, Historical & Investigative Research, Center for Research on Globalization or the ISSA, Srebrenica Research Group et al has ever LIED even once, or covered up even just ONE fact which is deleterious to the Serbian side, thus actually PROVING their alleged "pro-Serb bias" you use the following lame excuse:

"I am surfing, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary."

Oh really, Sir/Madam?Is that the best you can do? If I or Neil Craig said/wrote something like that we would rightly be the subject of ridicule as everyone on your side of the argument would say :"You see how pathetic those that don't support the Izetbegovic/NATO/media version of events are? They can't even produce ONE fact or rebut one piece of evidence we have, instead they write things like 'I am surfing, I am not paid to fact check sites'"

Do you EVER bother to fact check ANYTHING that the Guardian, ITN or the BBC ever say? Where are THEIR footnotes? Where is YOUR fact checking of their claims?

Where are the quotes by UN officers who DISAGREE with the Izetbegovic/Clinton/Albright/NATO version of events in ITN, BBC, or Guardian reports?

Where is the 12 page spread in the Guardian telling us about the UN documented massacres perpetrated by Naser Oric under instructions of Alija Izetbegovic?

Where are their FRONT PAGE page news reports quoting Philip Corwin, Cedric Thornberry, Carlos Martins Branco, UN Dutchbat member Captain Schouten, former Deputy NATO Commander Charles Boyd, former UN officials Chris Gunness,Derek Chappell, Satish Nambiar,Lewis Mackenzie, Yasushi Akashi et al, Lord David Owen's testimony under oath at The Hague ICTY "trial" of Milosevic, Lord Carrington's numerous statements, Jonathan Rooper, Lietenant colonel John Sray, Bill Schiller, John Pomfret, Jacques Merlino, Michel Collon (the list goes on and on)?? Why are these people NEVER quoted in the Guardian?

And yet you have NOTHING to say about the Guardian's BLATANT self confessed "Advocacy Journalism" and BIAS when this rag became the standard bearer of the "Lets bomb the Serbs faction in Britain" in 1992.

Mr./Ms. Anonymous, have you ever bothered to do some investigative journalism of your own to see whether or not THEY are guilty of bias - as proven above - whether they LIE or otherwise COVER UP evidence which is injurious to the Islamist/SDA, Tudjman/Nazi side - of PROVEN outright BIAS, which you accuse everyone else of being guilty of who does not support the Izetbegovic/Clinton administration/NATO/corporate media version of events?


In any case, where you accuse Emperor's Clothes (and ipso facto Historical & Investigative Research, the Center for Research on Globalization, and the International Strategic Studies Association among many others) of "pro-Serb bias", it is interesting to note that you claim that they don't give space to the opposing view but only "rubbish" the "opposing view".

Sir/Madam, the mainstream US/NATO dominated corporate controlled media has plenty of SPACE to disseminate its opinions/claims/charges 24 hours a day, seven days a week - which it has happily been doing for the last 16 years.

Emperor's Clothes, ISSA, CRG,SRG, et al give space to EXPOSING the massive lies propagated by the mainstream corporate media. They expose the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE to support the charges made by US/NATO governments or the corporate media by exposing how the establishment media and governments LIE through their teeth about events in order to demonize the Serbs and thereby produce a political outcome. They cite documented evidence by naming names and their sources -something that you,the Guardian, BBC & ITN
utterly FAIL to do.

Your implied demand that these research groups should be giving additional space to the corporate media mega corporations -as "the other point of view" - after it has been aired by the media endlessly for the last 16 years - with the US/NATO dominated corporate media in effect acting as a NATO/Ruder Finn/Hill & Knowlton/Waterman Associates advertising agency distribution network - casts serious doubt as to your claims of impartiality and neutrality,Mr./Ms. Anonymous, as does your ad hominem labelling with insults of every independent research group and individual who disagrees with the NATO/ITN/BBC/Guardian line as being "biased" "Islamophobic" "pro-Serb" and spreading "Serb propaganda".

You also claim that Emperor's Clothes makes no reference to sources which can be checked but only "suppositions" and "fiction" as it pertains to the Guuardian article by Ed Vulliamy.

Sir/Madam either you did NOT read the article at all or you are confusing "suppositions" with exposure of outright LYING by the Guardian, using Mr.Ed Vulliamy's VERY OWN article as the SOURCE!!

The fact that you can't handle this exposure by claiming that it does not contain reference sources which can be easily checked shows how dishonest and biased you are towards the US/NATO line and how utterly biased you really are against the Serbs.

Jared Israel rigorously documents the blatant falsehoods of Mr. Ed Vulliamy by using his very own article as a reference source - and shows step by step, in a logically coherent and sytematic fashion WHERE and HOW Mr.Ed Vulliamy - and ipso facto ITN & the Guardian - lie through their teeth for US/NATO political purposes.

Mr Jared Israel plainly shows what are proven outright LIES,and that can be seen by his providing quotes from the article as well as photographs published by the Guardian which are clearly in contradiction to the evidence documented in the film "Judgement" containing footage of the ITN film crew in action, the LM article by Thomas Deichmann [originally published in the German "Novo" magazine], and even in contradiction to evidence supplied by ITN itself [the outright FALSE labelling of the ITN photo of Trnopolje refugee center - containing ONE single'emaciated' person, Fikret Alic -as the supposed Omarska "death camp"!!

Funny how Ed Vulliamy and the Guardian falsely labelled that ITN photo of Trnopolje refugee center as purportedly showing the prisoner of war detention center, Omarska, when in fact even the most basic FACT CHECKING would reveal it to be NOT a photo of Omarska at all but that of Trnopolje! I wonder why the Guardian felt a need to perpetrate this blatant deception on its readers.
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Right off the bat, this is not a picture of the detention center at Omarska. It is from the footage famously shot at the refugee center at Trnopolje. ITN went to both locations on 5 August 1992: first to Omarska, then to Trnopolje.

Vulliamy of course knows this. Did the Guardian insert the wrong picture by mistake? You'd think that if the Guardian made such an obvious mistake they would have changed it on their website immediately, but two days later it was still there. [Note added 12 June 2005: I just checked, and a year later, Trnopolje is still mis-identified as Omarska!] So perhaps Vulliamy and the Guardian falsely identified the picture deliberately. The article is obviously intended to depict the Serbs as monstrous war criminals; none of ITN's Omarska footage even appears to depict a death camp; so to achieve maximum impact, they used one of the famous Trnopolje pictures instead, figuring that a) these pictures are linked in people's minds with 'death camp' and b) nobody in the West knows the difference between Trnopolje and Omarska. And anyway, since it's a lie that the Trnopolje picture depicts a death camp, why not also lie that it was taken at Omarska? (In for a penny, in for a pound....)


Note the following:

* A) The fence supposedly around this supposed concentration camp is mostly made of chicken wire. (You can also see this in the Guardian photo but it's much fainter.) Chicken wire is not used to concentrate anyone but chickens, because chickens aren't clever enough to realize it lacks the barbs that make barbed wire hard to tear down or climb over. Also, chickens lack fingers.

* B) The man in a black shirt on the left/front is looking down and scowling;

* C) Fikret (the skinny one) is definitely grinning;

* D) Mehmet (front center, holding the wire) is frowning;

* D) A short man in a blue shirt on the right is gesturing palm up towards Fikret Alic.

The RTS footage used in 'Judgment!' includes sound, so it’s easy to figure out what really happened. A little play was indeed enacted; it just wasn't Vulliamy's 'Tales from a Serb Death Camp.' More like "Arrogant ITN Reporter Fishes for a Usable Sound Bite and Manages to Offend her Would-be Victims."

In 'Judgment!', shortly before this scene, we see Penny Marshall and her film crew setting up their cameras in an area used to store building materials. This area is surrounded by a flimsy fence; there are a few strands of barbed wire on top, but mostly it's chicken wire.

Drawn by the unusual spectacle of two film crews (ITN and RTS) setting up shop in a fenced-in storage area in a refugee center, some refugees wander over. Penny Marshall talks to them. Because her crew is filming the refuges through the fence, ITN can produce photos which give the illusion that the refugees are the ones enclosed by the fence.

In 'Judgment!', you can hear Marshall talking to Mehmet, the man in overalls holding onto the fence. She presses him with loaded questions, trying to get him to say that this is a prison camp and that he is being abused. He keeps saying no, no, it’s just a refugee center. "They treat you badly?" asks Marshall. Mehmet says, "No, I think they are kind. Very kind. But it is too hot." (It’s August.)

http://emperors-clothes.com/villainy.htm
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Thus EC conclusively PROVES using the Ed Vulliamy article and ITN's own footage [the Trnopolje photo falsely labelled by the Guardian as Omarska] as its primary source -Ed Vulliamy's lies are clearly exposed in the EC article, and ipso facto the Guardian which published it. The Guardian has a DIRECT interest in maintaining the ITN "big lie" concerning Trnopolje & Omarska [since they were an INTEGRAL PART OF the Guardian team] and thus have a clear AGENDA - a conflict of interest in telling us the TRUTH about what really happened. The EC article thoroughly exposes the Guardian and ITN's blatant lies using their very own photos and video footage.
In this article Jared Israel PROVES that the Guardian and especially Ed Vulliamy is thoroughly DISCREDITED SOURCE of information.

And yet you have the audacity to claim: "Far from being ‘meticulously researched’, they actually contain very little that can be called fact. Both articles are an extended series of suppositions which seek to undermine but do not rebut the ITN evidence. Mr Israel appears to have sat on his butt in his office and written fiction."

Sorry, Mr./Ms. Anonymous, next time don't refer back to an article URL of mine in order to discredit EC WITHOUT providing some actual EVIDENCE to prove your case of "pro-Serb bias", otherwise you will end up looking rather silly.

Instead of throwing insults and attempted character assassination with a mud slinging smear campaign of the "are you still beating your wife?" exemplified by Joshua Tanzer, I ask you - as has Neil Craig on numerous occasions - to PRODUCE some EVIDENCE to support your charge that Emperor's Clothes, Historical & Investigative Research, Center for Research on Globalization, International Strategic Studies Association, Antiwar,Senate Republican Policy Committee, Congessional Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare et al are all guilty of LYING, spreading disinformation, or otherwise COVERING UP one fact which is deleterious to the Serbian side and thereby PROVE that all these organizations are "pro-Serb", "Islamophobic" and "biased" that spread "rubbish"
as you [preposterously]keep repeatedly claiming.

Cheers and have a happy day!


Peter Robert North
[a Jewish Libertarian (classic liberal) just in case you try and SMEAR me as well!]
 
"I am surfing, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary."
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Sir/Madam,



Wait a minute! YOU, along with the Guardian,ITN and BBC are the one making the ASSERTION that "8,000 Bosnian muslim men and boys were lined up and shot"

The burden of proof rests on the person making the charge to actually prove it with EVIDENCE - which you, the Guardian, ITN & the BBC have utterly FAILED to do.

Sir/Madam, not only are you clearly anti-Serbian but you also deliberately ignore the massive amounts of evidence that Izetbegovic's people were shameless Nazis allied with al Qaeda - so not only are you anti-Serbian in your bias, but you are -ipso facto - pro-Islamist al Qaeda Nazi as well [since you DENY the overwhelming evidence that Izetbegovic was a Nazi].



Oh and by the way, there are many OTHER independent research groups apart from Emperor's Clothes that have disclosed these facts about the late Izetbegovic's SDA party pro-Nazi al Qaeda links, such as the Center for Research on Globalization,Historical & Investigative Research,Antiwar,Senate Republican Policy Committee, Congessional Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare among many others.
http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm



I just can't wait to hear your next reply on this one, Mr./Ms. Anonymous. Here, let me save you the time and trouble of possibly getting RSI from your keyboard by doing it for you:



"I have looked at your URL links, Mr. North. Historical & Investigative Research AND the Center for Research on Globalization, AND the US Senate Republican Policy Committee AND the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism & Unconventional Warfare that you cite Mr. North, are all full of pro-Serb, Islamophobic RUBBISH as I just ran a search on Google and hey presto, you know what I found?! Joshua Tanzer of OFFOFFOFF says that every single one of the organizations you cite are far from being prestigious or reliable, as Mr. Tanzer showed to my satisfaction that they are all run by pro-Serb-Communist-Stalinist-Bolshevik-Nazi-Right Wing Fanatic-Anarchist-Racist-Freemason-Ku Klux Klan Jewish-parrot molesting & poodle raping,seal clubbing extremists!



"What you want proof for the above, Mr. North? Sorry, but I'm not PAID to fact check sites, I am just merely SURFING, I am not being paid to fact-check sites which seem unreliable so I generally think that is unnecessary."


Since your precious Guardian newspaper, ITN & the BBC failed to tell the British public that Osama bin Laden was a close confidant of Alija Izetbegovic, you actually use the very same technique used by the radical Islamist Fascist SDA party and Croat HDZ Ustasha Nazis via their handsomely paid PR firms, Ruder Finn & Waterman Associates.



For example, when confronted with irrefutable facts and rigorously documented evidence you cannot rebut, you proceed to do PRECISELY what you accuse Emperor's Clothes of being guilty of: "rubbishing" the oppposing point of view by attacking the character of those making it rather than the evidence they cite. Funny about that,huh?



That is, you do not attempt to refute or otherwise dispute the facts cited but use the specious argument that anyone who disagrees with ITN and the Guardian is spreading "rubbish".



You always invariably cannot refute ANY piece of documented evidence at all - instead of providing counter evidence and arguments based on facts not emotion, you rather attempt to attack the character [and thereby the credibility of] the source where the documented evidence is cited/published!!



You do this in the most dishonorable way of ad hominem personal insults, smear tactics and attempted character assassination just like Joshua Tanzer does with his outrageous smear campaign of Mr. Bogdanich on Mr. Tanzer's web page "offoffoff" [more like "of
 
...Mr North why should I smear you when you do such a good job of smearing yourself.

I note that you have written that your sources '...are all full of pro-Serb, Islamophobic RUBBISH'and '...that every single one of the organizations...[cited]... are far from being prestigious or reliable...they are all run by pro-Serb-Communist-Stalinist-Bolshevik-Nazi-Right Wing Fanatic-Anarchist-Racist-Freemason-Ku Klux Klan Jewish-parrot molesting & poodle raping,seal clubbing extremists!'

I think at last, you are getting closer to the truth Pete!

I'm enjoying the weekend lads. I'll catch you later on.
 
I have decided after Mr Anonymous' most recent post that while I have an obligation & wish, to give a forum to those who support opposing views I have no obligation to do so for those who merely produce unsubstantiated insults, particularly from an anonymous source & to other parties. If he wishes to produce a fact related post I will reproduce it.
 
Mr./Ms. Anonymous,

Yes, I can see I am getting very close to discovering what YOUR version of the "truth" entails.
At least you have a sense of humor. I am actually enjoying these exchanges!

I was actually referring to YOUR OPINION of United Nations sources -especially those sources who dare to risk losing their careers to gives us - the Western public - the FACTS about the Islamist Nazis of the late Alija Izetbegovic's Bosnian muslim SDA party you so stubbornly admire,
and Mr. Izetbegovic's ally in his campagn of genocide & ethnic cleansing against the Serbs, the pro-Croatian Ustasha (Croatian version of the Nazi SS)leader, and Adolph Hitler/Ante Pavelic apologist,the late Croatian president Franjo -"genocide is not only permitted it is also recommended"- Tudjman.

It appears Mr. Ms. Anonymous, not only are you excruciatingly RUDE and offensive towards those who publish statements & evidence from UN sources who disagree with your version of events by throwing personal insults at them - as does your bird of a feather,Mr.Joshua Tanzer, of "OffOffOff"
(his face?)website - but you also have difficulty READING the English language, especially when you accused,(on March 27)the author of this blog, Mr. Neil Craig, of calling YOU a Nazi, when he did absolutely no such thing: Mr. Craig was in fact referring to Wikipedia moderators'policy of CENSORING politically incorrect facts, in contrast with Mr. Craig's policy of allowing YOU to air your opinions on his blog.

Here is Mr. Neil Craig's quote of March 27:

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By coincidence the very Wikipedia article you hold up as a good starting point has been the subject of a previous article by me ( http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2005/06/wikipedia-nazi-monopoly-on-tudjman.html ) pointing out that the moderator deliberately censors the alternate view - although there is a section purporting to be about the alternate position any contribution to it by people who do not oppose it is rigorously excised. It is indicative, & to be expected, of the Nazi position that they do not allow free debate on these matters as we, as you are proving, do.
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Mr. Ms. Anonymous, if all you can do is throw insults and RUBBISH those who publish evidence/statements from United Nations officials who were actually on the ground when the alleged events occurred and MIS-READ a person's comments, then why oh why in Heaven's name aren't you working for the Guardian,BBC or ITN?

Cheers and have a happy day!!

Peter Robert North.
PS: I am still WAITING for actual EVIDENCE from you that ALL those United Nations official sources and ipso facto, the organizations that publish them are, in YOUR opinion:

"...all full of pro-Serb, Islamophobic RUBBISH'and '...that every single one of the organizations...[cited]... are far from being prestigious or reliable...they are all run by pro-Serb-Communist-Stalinist-Bolshevik-Nazi-Right Wing Fanatic-Anarchist-Racist-Freemason-Ku Klux Klan Jewish-parrot molesting & poodle raping,seal clubbing extremists!"

When you actually have the evidence, PLEASE write to us here and PLEASE let us know how you and Paddy Pants Down can see through mountains without the aid of X-Ray goggles!!
 
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